Just before Light Warriors went down there was this exchange...
3-15-09
5. jazzsue58
1 day ago
Just make sure you watch Rosie like a hawk! And make sure she knows it. I'm shaking my head in disbelief that a stepmother can over-rule a blood relative. Have you thought about exposing this story to a wider audience? Like a newspaper, for example? A good journalist could split this senior abuse case wide open.(People following the Julie Myerson story will know how effective a bit of adverse publicity can be)
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo
20 hours ago
I keep trying there is a media black out on me, I would love to go into details, but they say that I'm not oh' how would you put it? Hmmmm? I am what I am...
It certainly could be about money and other things...
I need a good proof reader and editor...
I'd love to elaborate...
jazzsue58
18 hours ago
Not that I'm trying to affect the course of injustice or anything, but ...
There's a print magazine in the UK called Chat. They ask for stories about life experiences - and just lately I've noticed an awful lot of them originate from the US and Canada. Agreed, most of these stories are based around things like murder or people overcoming terrible disabilities etc but the fact they are accepting submissions from your neck of the woods indicates to me a) that it might be worth offering them your story and b) they must be a bit short of news to Chat about, so might well be interested in a tale about elderly abuse in America - especially if the villain is a villainess (it's the top-selling womens' weekly over here)
You don't need to be a good author or anything - they do all that, you just supply a precis of the facts. Because it's a mag in the UK, it's immune from most of the laws governing journalism that the US newspapers have to follow - they always offer a chance for the other side to put their case. If they don't want to reply, it's up to them.
The US angle they've recently started applying makes me wonder if it's sold over there as well. And, therefore, if Rosie might not end up seeing herself in it?!
Sorry, I'm putting myself in your position here. It's what I would do - that and put a curse on the b***h. Rated! !
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo
18 hours ago
I contacted the BBC and they were not willing to discuss my story because there is pending litigation. But if they are letting down their hair a little like you say and this is a different sort of story from my story even though it was in litigation and could be having further litigation to be applied, I'm thinking that maybe this would be a good or better, great idea. I'm going to look into that.
To think that the Americans ran from the UK to seek freedom from oppression and here I am getting advice to turn back to the UK to get freedom from oppression... What a twisted turn of events... I thought we had freedom of the press over here, and yes they might be opening up their market over there over here, but it is a dicey deal at best because the internet seems to be the best avenue for free written expression.
My focus was totally caught by the number of electronic subscribers I could attract independently.
This also allows me to hone my journalism skills.
cooler1968 (339)
17 hours ago
Gary, did you ever think that the BBC were trying to be polite ... maybe they just didnt want to hear your story.
And another thing ... have you told your family that you are posting stuff about them here?
In fairness and in justice (which you SEEM to want), it would be a great idea to allow them to be able to respond to what you have been saying here. Rated! !
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (908) ranked 5 out of 143 in my grandmother
3 hours ago
Hey' Cooler,
First the BBC was not being polite, they teased me in a sense when they called me and asked some questions they were on a phishing expedition, and ended the conversation on such a sour note that it certainly was not being polite.
MyLot is a free access site, I do not need to contact those that are violating me and causing me harm, they in most cases are not interested in such nonsense as I find important. What they believe is far different than what I believe so they will most likely stay far clear of my writings and they know I write about them, and if you think I've written a lot about them here? This is only a drop in the bucket. You should really examine all of my writings in total, I have nothing to hide.
There are other aspects as Rosie has said in the past that I know too much, and indeed I do know too much, which is exactly where the problem begins, I can sort through what I know and find the truth from the mixed bad of half truths or lies that have been told to others.
You Cooler however prefer to believe in the false representations of others, see my post in Religion also posted in My Preaching on my Blogspot Blog...
As much as you want me to stop writing and as much as you wish to embarrass me for being the victim of a bully, I'm not going to allow you or others to bully me.
Here is another thought, I've been writing for how long now, and if I've not been telling the truth don't you think that they would have exposed the error of my ways?
I made a few mistakes which I've done my best to correct, and yet they continue to cause harm, who is 'they'?
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo
3 hours ago
See, a typing mistake, "mixed bad of half truths" should read, a mixed bag of half truths.
cooler1968 (339)
3 hours ago
Gary, if you believe there are two sides to every story, you should afford them the courtesy of being able to put their side forward here.
And by the way, I am not trying to bully you - but I do think that you are really making a mistake here by posting your legal issues before they have been fully dealt with. Rated! !
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo
3 hours ago
Oh' and Cooler another part of your twisted comment to say that I am talking or writing about them! You can take your condescending thoughts and jump off a high, high precipice, you presumptuous hypocrite! My writings are about what 'they' are doing to (me and the ones that I love,) I know you don't like the truth being told as you prefer a world of lies and again you provide ample proof of how you wish your world to be under your control.
One day you will wake up and realize your world could have been a lot nicer, a lot cleaner and with a lot less anguish, until then good luck.
Know this also your next response to me might not get a reply, especially if I don't like the tone of your thoughts. I want you to be honest with all of us and that includes yourself.
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (908) ranked 5 out of 143 in my grandmother
3 hours ago
Censorship,
What you are saying that I've posted my legal issues before they are totally dealt with, and how am I going to further deal with these legal issues...
I provided information that I was going to court and that I could have been held in contempt of court and I didn't go to jail.
I've not provided all the details, and yet there are some details that do need to be exposed.
The provision of these details is also public knowledge as anyone who has the right to be interested in this case could acquire the transcript and read the facts for their own benefit.
So what I am providing is public knowledge.
See I responded to your response as it was not twisting the facts, other than you still seem to think that my posting here has not allowed the other side a chance to present their side of the story, to that I am like*scratching my head* What are you talking about if they have another side of the story then they are welcome to present their other side, but they better be telling the truth, as I will be making sure that they have been honest, so far there have been a lot of lies told and a lot of misrepresentations have been made by them.
The nice thing about writing with people who tell the truth you are getting the whole story, At this moment I have not published the whole story and that is what I have been making clear to everyone that there is much that I have to write yet about this past proceeding, or better yet, I can purchase the transcript and the proof will be in the evidence of public record.
cooler1968 (339)
43 minutes ago
Gary, dont get personal. I have let you off with calling me a liar before, but push me too far and you may be facing more than one legal battle.
Good day!
Hey' Cooler just for you a Better Idea
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (908) ranked 1,455 out of 1,737 in sharing of new ideas &knowledge
3 hours ago
How about instead of accusing me of not allowing others the opportunity to present their side of the story in order to be fair...
How about if my Grandmother was to read what I have been writing about what those others have done to me to prevent me from visiting???
What do you think My Grandmother would do if she was to find out that her Daughter in Law that is stealing my Grandmother's property had threatened me with physical harm?
I anxiously await your response...
Then I would like to talk about what my Children would think about all of this???
Do you think that my Children approve of being lied to?
It seems to me that you feel you are being lied to and you don't like it, but you have this duality of a problem that you feel it quite acceptable to lie to others.
You can not reconcile these two facts.
In bridging any difference of opinion you have to be able to find common ground in truth.
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1. book1962
1 hour ago
hi Gary, I am sorry you are going through so much trouble now again.
The only solution for this situation in my opinion would be if you write to your Grandma and honestly tell her what is going on right now. Then she would be the one to decide how to handle the issue of you being pressured the way things are.
BTW I would never ever ever allow anybody to forbid me contacting whom ever in my own family I want. What would be the consequences if you ignore that kids stuff of not being allowed to this and that? Could you live with them?
I once was in a similar situation. We werent married yet and my stupid sister in law contacted my then bf and now husband when I was with him for two weeks threatening us that his Dad, whom we dearly loved, doesnt have much lifetime left and is severely ill. I had a bad cold then and we couldnt get to Dad immediately cause I feared I may pass it on to him and that would really have been a death sentence for dear Dad.
my stupid idiotic Sister in Law then started complaining about us or better me and then told my SO on the phone that she forbids me to hold his hand when we visit Dad in hospital
I had it by then and told her in no uncertain terms that when my SO needs to hold my hand cause he has problems in seeing Dad in a hospital bed with all that medical apparel round him then so be it and I hold his hand if needed and who is she to tell me off for this.
Needless to comment on, that our relationship has been stressed ever since and when I found out after our wedding that she had lied then I cut ties with her completely. I have never ever spoken on the phone to her since and no more than a polite hello when it was inevitable that we met cause there was family reunion where we couldnt sneak out of.
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo
0 seconds ago
Book thank you for writing that, I can totally relate to your experience.
I would write to my Grandmother but I doubt that she will be given my writings, see my Stepmother is there monitoring her every minute. Like a hawk waiting for the last beat of her heart.
I have information that I would love to share and I know things would be a lot different if the truth was known. Meaning that if my Grandmother knew the truth, unfortunately there are serious issues and legal roadblocks that prevent the truth from being exposed to her or even about this whole situation.
When the system becomes the problem then the system needs to be repaired.
I love being able to get snap shots and keep evidence of trouble by trouble makers. I would prefer if there was no trouble in the first place as a little prevention is always worth more than a lot of cure, all things costing the same...
2. cooler1968 (339)
44 minutes ago
Gary, you have now done the undoable.
You have put my name in a discussion topic - and i find that abusive and disgusting. let's see how you fare with the moderators:)
Bye bye!-
Then there was this prior
3-3-09
13. TheGreatWhiteBuffalo
1 day ago
It is elder abuse, to keep such an important thing from the parent is just a form of spousal abuse and I'm certain that he would want to know.
It is not your job to disclose the information that you know, not even a hint... It is the duty of the wife or other family members to speak the truth to the man. It might fall into the realm of your supervisor but certainly not you... Not that you are not a good person smart enough to disclose this information tactfully. It is really sad that he can not be there at his own son's funeral.
This is just a reflection of how sick our society is and how far we have moved away from being compassionate to parents and their rights, especially the rights of men!
That's my two many senses... Ouch!
cooler1968 (325)
1 day ago
I would disagree with you here Gary.
If the man were middle aged or younger, and his faculties were 100%, then it would not be a problem - providing he was afforded the necessary support for someone who was grieving.
As this man is elderly with a possibility that he has alzheimers, I would not disclose such a thing. I think it would be far crueller to disclose than not to. How do you know whether this man could cope and bear up to hearing such news? Have you dealt with someone who has alzheimers in a clinical capacity before? I have... and I can assure you that the tears and weeping I listened to coming from elderly men when they heard of the death of a loved one was not nice. The crying lasted for days and weeks, sometimes even months - and nobody could counsel.
Your suggestion that to keep this information from him is elder abuse is absurd. There is nothing in the initial discussion to suggest abuse or neglecting a parents rights.
I think if you look objectively at the situation rather than subjectively, you can see the intention is to have this man live a quality life - for as long as he lives ...
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo
1 day ago
Hi Cooler,
Once again you miss interpreted my points...
Yes this amounts to elder abuse if the reported information is correct the person making the point or post has first hand experience they are there. I am trusting to this person to share with empathy and understanding that some people can not get a grasp of.
Why do I trust the OP? Call it intuition, maybe a deeper bond, obviously people won't understand how that bond is created and feel that I can be wrong. So be it what you think, is your opinion and not the opinion of all people. I'm seeking a deeper truth.
What is my experience with people who are aging? Shame on you to even question such a thing... Paws for Patience was a group that I belonged to when my maternal grandfather was in assisted living after my maternal grandmother passed away. And I watched my paternal grandfather suffer at the hands of the doctors who had him on conflicting medications. I have personal and practical experience.
As for the suffering and tears that can not be consoled (not counseled) You can not counsel another person through grief, that is an experience that has to be lived. I know what it is to be denied the right to know the truth and that is a deep pain. It would have been much better for me and others to know the truth...
If the wife is hiding this from her husband what else is she hiding? Huhhh?
Not abuse... Wanna bet?
cooler1968 (325)
1 day ago
Good man Gary!
Castigate me for "once again misinterpreting your points", and at the same time not really reading my reply.
Let me debunk your arguments one by one - and at the same time be open to a more enlightened response, when you have taken the time to read this posting correctly and also take the time to think before replying.
With respect to the person who originally posted the discussion, we are not sure if this personal is clinically qualified to make judgements of how able/unable this man is to take such news without major adverse effects. I will not and cannot presume that they are in a position where they can make that judgement. I do not presume to have the answers either - but I am simply replying to your judgement based on both the original posting and your reply, and my own CLINICAL experience of working with patients in a pscyho-geriatric ward - those with Alzheimers.
Again, with respect to both yourself and the OP, "deeper bond" and "intuition" cannot be taken into consideration when it comes to knowing what is best for the patient/client in regards to their ability to take such news. While the OP says she thought the man looked to be sharp - she also said he was an Alzheimers patient and that he had a pacemaker fitted too. Would you be willing to accept the responsibility of telling this man that his son committed suicide, and accept the consequences of your actions, based on "intuition" should he have had a heart attack after hearing the news? Let those who are the professionals make that judgement. They are better informed than you or I.
I didnt ask what your experience was with people who are aged. Read the posting again. I simply asked what clinical experience you had with people who had Alzheimers. Belonging to a support group doesnt count as clinical experience. Unless you are a professional in the field, or have had clinical experience, I would only say that you were an enthusiast in this field.
"You cannot counsel another person through grief" - Im afraid to burst the old bubble again Gary, but you should google "bereavement counselling" and see what it brings up. Bereavement counselling, which you say is not possible, has been used by psychologists and pscyhotherapists for a long time now, to enable people to cope with and move through the bereavement process. I do agree with the point you make about grief being an experience that has to be lived - but the bereavement counselling offers a two fold mechanism for dealing with it. 1 - it provides an immediate form of empathy/sympathy from the counsellor in "consoling" the bereaved; and 2 - it offers the bereaved a number of enabling mechanisms to help them to a) learn to cope with bereavement; and b) to seek the appropriate help when they arent able to cope.
"If the wife is hiding this from her husband what else is she hiding? Huhhh?"
Now Gary, of all the things you have said in the reply, that must be the silliest and most offensive to the wife of that poor man.
You are making assumptions that she must be hiding other stuff ... such as what???
I remember after my own father was diagnosed with cancer in the brain liver and lungs, I was left with a terrible choice to make ... should I tell him or not. I chose not to tell him. Why? because he would have not been able to cope. How do I know? I was his son ... I knew best for MY father.
In this case, the person who would know best would be his wife.
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ethansmommy06 (217)
19 hours ago
i hope my post has not created a conflict with you and mr cooler. my thing is that i know this man. he is no dummy. he is only in early stages of alzhimers. i dont know too much about it but i do know that he remembers things quiet well since i have been at the nursing home. he just forgets small things like where he put something or small stuff like that. i think he should know cause im a parent. it would kill me to not know. now i also know his wife loves him very much. but she should tell him. and mr cooler.... no offence but if i have cancer anywhere. YOU BETTER TELL ME!!!!!!!! my point is people have strokes heartattacks all the time without or with bad news. to say its because he has an age behind him is whats crazy. I know everyone is different and has different opinions and thats great. but mine is that he should know. and its normal for a person to cry when they learn of the death of a loved one. no its not nice to hear but its a part of life. its called greiving. personally i know that counciling is offered for greiving but i dont see the point in it. if my child or husband or anyloved one god forbid please died no amount of counsiling could cure my broken heart. it may work on some people it may not on others. anyhow i hope this didnt start a argument. i appreciate the honest opinions from both mr buffalo and cooler. thank you guys. please dont quarrel and have a wonderful week. + -
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (877)
19 hours ago
Cooler,
At this moment in time I'd like to put you on ice. In my reply you noticed that my advice was to the OP that she was not to make this decision for the man that her problem with this had to be dealt with by her supervisor, or did you ignore that part of my reply, I wrote it like three times that this was not something that she should deal with and that she should continue to do her job to the best of her abilities following the prescribed rules that she must follow in order to keep her job.
Now as to the question that the OP asks, I gave my opinion, and I feel it is wrong to lie to people about their health issues and the issues of the health of our relatives, younger and older.
As for Alzheimers, it is a condition of memory loss that many doctors and nursing homes are making a killing on... They are both killing people and cashing in...
As for the wife, I'd like to know why a guy of apparent sound mind is put into a nursing home...? I suspect something is foul...
Your ability to lie to your father proves to me that you are capable of lying to anyone for any reason. I've observed your behaviors as amoral and have called you out on your practices in the past, and I don't go out of my way to find you either do I?
So you want to live in a world full of lies...
You are clearly not alone.
If you feel you are alone, allow me to introduce you to some of the people who I once had called family and friends.
Hey' don't forget, I know what it is like to be treated as dead to my family and learning about the lies that covered up the death of my father. As for getting consoled or counseled, you are the worst and last person on earth that I would ever turn to for help in that area. Liars are useless pieces of trash! I wrote about consoling because before you can counsel anyone on anything you first need to console the person and attend to their needs. I know exactly what I wrote and what I meant and I stand by my facts and my writings.
Sure I am not a professional, and I am most certainly not an enthusiast, what I am is a person with some experience in helping older people as they near the end of their lives.
I could easily fix your bedside manner. Actually I feel sorry for your staff and your patients. You and 'them' all need help.
As a friend I would tell you the truth, straight as I see it. I expect the same from my friends. I expect that we can speak with empathy and respect, with out causing great harm, but certainly not hiding essential facts at the time it would be appropriate to disclose those facts.
Life is not always coated with sugar, kindness is part of friendship. Shooting straight, whether from the hip or by taking great aim it is essential that we carefully hit our marks.
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (877)
18 hours ago
Thank You Eathansmommy,
Mr. Cooler and I have a bit of a conflict from long ago, it is about religious beliefs.
It is a long story...
Don't fret, Mr. Cooler told me not to follow his writings, but he likes to get his points in on my writings even when I fully understood your points that you had made as the OP of this troubling position your employment has put you in.
Honey I love your next reply below also,
Thanks for sharing your concerns, it allowed me to explain my points or positions in the manner to which I feel best expresses my beliefs.
I just have to prepare another batch of Olive oil for Mr. Cooler to entertain us with another dance of his, don't you just love watching grown men doing splits?
I know I'm really bad...
14. HelloMickey (33) ranked 30,186 out of 31,936 in life
1 day ago
You have no right to reveal this fact to the old man if his wife doesn't want to.
If I was you, I were sorry to lie to him. You don't know what will happen to this old man when he heard the news. Moreover, I think you are not the right person to tell me this bad news.
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ethansmommy06 (217)
19 hours ago
well first i never said i was or wanted to . plus it is against our policy to tell him anyhow. i just said it broke my heart to know and he was not able to know cause it was kept from him. thank you. Rated! !
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (877)
18 hours ago
I just wanted to also write a thank you for sharing about the love of the older man's wife, it is too bad she is misguided in her thinking, and that guidance probably comes from a Doctor somewhere... The root of the problem still could remain as my guess, money... The Doctor and the Nursing home are collecting a lot of money for their services.
Now what of the consequences if the man's mind was stimulated through say computer interaction to develop strong memory pathways?
How much do you remember when you're not exhausted?
Can we learn to increase our brain power?
Prior to that there were these four
Islam and Women
Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
1 week ago
It has bothered me for a while after reading the Koran that there are no provisions made for the women which are on par with the rewards for a male.
Could you please tell me if female Muslims expect to be reincarnated as males in Paradise?
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1. Haraaz (23)
1 week ago
I will try to explain the best that I can, although it's not easy for me as this isn't my mother tongue.
Before the Quran was sent down to the Prophet, men (not all of course) treated women badly in arabia. Women had NO rights what so ever, so when the Quran was sent down it was supposed to GIVE women rights, and it did! When a womans relative would die, she got nothing. But after Islam came, she would inherit some of the things the relative left behind, such as money and other things. Men were the supporters of women, and they worked while the women stayed at home. Therefore they had more rights than the women had, because if something would happen to the woman its the mans responsibility. It's his responsibility to provide her with money, clothes, food and everything.
The moral we have in todays society is not the same as they had 1400 years ago, and you need to keep in mind that this was to make women and men more equal than they were before the Quran was sent down.
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Gnosisquest (764)
1 week ago
Looks like you misunderstood my question; the men who go to Paradise get all these virgins and their desires are increased a hundred fold; what is in it for a woman?
Do you hope to be reincarnated as a male in Paradise so that you can reap some of the benefits? + -
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2. Haraaz (23) ranked 7,543 out of 8,205 in religion
1 week ago
All people will get whatever they want, it says in the Quran.
If you only want your wife, you'll get only her. But if you want other wives, you'll get that too. It's all about one's own will. There's no statement which tell you this or that many wifes or husbands. One will simply get whatever he or she wishes:-) We will have the free will to choose in next life, just as we can here.
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
1 week ago
So what if the person wants his wife and she does not want him; do they still booth get their wishes? + -
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Haraaz (23) ranked 7,543 out of 8,205 in religion
1 week ago
He will get another wife, and she will get another husband.
My husband explain it like this; "To get one's own will fullfilled does not mean you can violate another persons will." Allah has made it simple, we will get whatever we wish but within limitations that won't transgress another persons will.
Allah will make that man happy with another wife which is better than his previous, and will make him love that one instead and he won't even think of his previous wife. + -
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
6 days ago
But what if she doesn't want another husband? And what if one of those "multiple" wives don't feel like being treated as chattel?
What if the woman feels like having multiple husbands?
Who the heck wants to spend an eternity cleaning up after some man when you just spent a lifetime on earth doing it? What if the woman just wants to be left alone?
The Quran makes some pretty lame assumptions for a book that was supposedly written by god--you'd think that a god would know that some people are actually happier being single or --gasp--some people are even gay...
Event the Bible acknowledges that people can chose not to marry and states there will be no marriage in heaven. + -
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3. Haraaz (23) ranked 7,543 out of 8,205 in religion
1 week ago
And of course, men & women are equal in front of Allah and we will all be satisfied and have our desires granted, there's no such thing that a man would get more reward than a woman.
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PrarieStyle (290) ranked 1,606 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
But, what does the Koran say about what reward awaits women? + -
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4. Makro74 (48) ranked 7,694 out of 8,205 in religion
1 week ago
Quite the contrary - eg a woman giving birth, usually has her sins forgiven. Paradise is an attainment for obedience to God together with worship, it is as simple as that. The more one indulges in this experience, the loftier the position attained in Paradise. One's accounts are balanced with their sins. The Quran does not distinguish this concept between male or female. If anything it gives more chances for women since the difficulties it faces in raising children and in Islam the practice of purdah.
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sndcain36 (930)
6 days ago
So a woman can spend her life as a prostitute or thief or even drug dealer and all she has to do is let some man put his brat inside her and poof! her sins are forgiven?
Wow, all those crack who(res are going to be really happy to hear that---
That hardly seems fair. Sounds like more false promises to convince women in Islam that being a breeder is all they need to be. + -
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Makro74 (48) ranked 7,694 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Sncain,
Ha ha, Did I hear you say your a prostitute? You must be earning a fair bit. That explains why your posts seem a tad dirty. + -
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Makro:
For three days you were unable to come up with a response and then finally you come with garbage such as that.
When Muslims can discuss things on topic and give real evidence, use real logic maybe we can take you seriously.
I am still waiting for evidence that there is anything correct in The Koran; anything which shows that there could have been something of a divine nature in your so called prophet.
The conduct of Muslims here and in Islamic countries is all I have o go by and it is anything but divine. + -
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cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Did you even dare to think that the guy could have been away from a pc for a few days?
Enough of your bull about Islam.
You are an Islamophobe. Your vitriolic spleen-venting and hostile comments bear no resemblence to any kind of open or philosophical debate. They are an affront to true Philosophy. + -
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
There you go again cooler; accusations and intimidation rather than bringing to the fore true evidence contradicting my statements. This indicates your lack of mental abilities: Why don't you just admit that what really upsets you is that I have demonstrated that your preconceptions are flawed? + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
quest what upsets u do u have a point here
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cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Deny your vitriolic attacks on Islam, Christianity and Judaism ....
Your statements are not those of a Philosopher and merit no debate, only disdain. Again and again you bring forth quotations from the Quran, the Bible and other sources without doing the most fundamental thing in all studies undertaken on ancient scripts/scrolls/documents - view them in the context in which they were written - not in todays context.
My lack of mental ability? That is a personal attack. I will treat it with the contempt it deserves.
I dont have "preconceptions" as you put them. Your ideas are fundamentally flawed because of incorrect or erroneous study. If you cannot figure out where you have gone wrong, then you should just give up.
Your attacks on the faiths of so many millions are incessant, not only in this forum, but across so many others. Your persistence in trying to demean and humiliate people for believing in God and following their religion serves nothing more than to hurt people. Whether you mean it or not, that is what you are doing. You constantly berate religious followers of having no intelligence, yet I have to see one shred of indisputable and credible evidence to back up your "way out there" notions and ideas.
I have no problem with you having your beliefs, or none. But you cross the line with your hurtful accusations against religious and good people, and the founders of faith.
I do believe in free speech, but you really should be muffled! + -
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
LOL:
Is that supposed to be a refutation of my statements?
For someone that has no interest in what I have to say you sure make a lot of noise.
Why would you be so concerned if you did not know deep down inside that I am correct? + -
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cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Your "statements" refute themselves.
You didnt deny that you do not follow the most basic tenets of studious reading of texts, and yet you seem to be in the mistaken belief that you are correct.
The best thing you could do is apologise for the hurtful remarks that you have made to and about the followers of three faiths. I reckon you dont have either the courage to do so, or the mental capacity to see the hurt you have caused.
I have no interest in your beliefs, if that is what you call them. What I do have interest in is to find out what motivates someone such as yourself who has no interest in Islam, Christianity or Judaism, and yet all of your postings are full of vengeful hatred for those faiths.
Believe this: I have no doubt whatsoever that you are not correct in your assumptions, based on your erroneous, misleading and downright lax "study" of the quotations which you like to promulgate your damnation of the Abrahamic faiths.
You have, time after time, proven that you are far from a scholar. You are a mere enthusiast. There is no harm in that .... but the harm comes from a little knowledge leading to your being a "scholar". A professor of mine laughingly referred to people like that as "the little knowledge brigade". You come across as the purveyor of half truths and misguided statements. Indeed, your erroneous assertions re: the validity of the Abrahamic faiths and the foundations of each of those, along with the vicious attacks on Muhammed show that you care nothing for a studious debate. Your only intention, as I mentioned before - and you have not denied it yet - is to hurt and demean the fervent and good people who are religious and follow their beliefs, not as "robots", but with a free will.
You mistakenly assume that muslims have no choice in their practice of the faith. You mistakenly put forward that all muslim women are treated badly.
You continue to spin your web of lies to any audience who will hear them, in the hope that as long as you utter this rubbish, it may eventually be believed.
Once again, you are not a willing participant in discussion. You want a platform for your nonsensical ideas, and you have it here, and in some other fora too.
I will have much more respect for you when you can admit the wrong you have done, the offense you have cause, and the pain meted out to a lot of good people by your put downs.
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
gr8 response you are cool
cooler
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Cooler:
I suggest you read a couple of books before you even think of criticizing anyone that knows about the basis for the Abrahamic cults. First of all read “The Dead Sea Scrolls Bible” by Abegg, Flynt and Ulrich. Secondly I suggest you read “Egypt Canaan and Israel in Ancient Times” By Prof Redford. Then I recommend “The Gnostic Paul” By Prof Elaine Pagels. Next read “The Dead Sea Scrolls” by Wise, Abegg and Cook.
Meanwhile here are a couple of places where I had some other discussions on myLot.
http://www.mylot.com/w/di...
You want the reason why I am opposed to the religious nonsense then check here:
http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1056573.aspx
The fact is that there is no soundness to any of the arguments peddled by the religious community and you have none so you resort to personal attacks indicating only what type of person you are! + -
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cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
You still havent apologised for the personal hurt you have caused by your remarks about the religions that many people follow, and about those who follow them.
Until you remove the bitterness and insipid hatred from your postings, I will treat them as nothing more than meaningless utterings of bitter man who has nothing better to do than attempt to transfer his own unhappiness to others.
I for one am secure in my faith and beliefs. Many millions of others are too. And nothing you say or do will change that. Get over it. + -
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
You got to be kidding right?
I should apologize for telling the truth?
There is no evidence anything is correct in the Christian Bible; Torah or Koran and I should apologize for letting people know that; well if you don't want to hear about what the facts are just find someone that writes to satisfy preconceptions. + -
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cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Yes, you should apologize, for the HURT you have caused.
You dont see it though. You think you're some kind of hero on a quest to expose "truth" as you see it.
The only truth here is that you are the one instigating personal attacks and mocking the personal beliefs of a lot of people who beg to differ. You insult and belittle people for "having no intelligence" because of their faith. You are doing it time and time again.
You really need to learn to have some humility. But then again, your ego probably couldnt handle it.
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
I do not belittle people for their beliefs but I will belittle them when all they do is criticizing without checking applicable data: Your feelings get hurt because I show you the weak foundation of the Abrahamic beliefs: Read "Berossus Genesis; Egypt Merneptah" by Russell Gmirkin.
People can believe whatever they want for me but belief without knowledge from booth sides become blind faith so to apologize for educating would be stupid.
Humanity can be likened to an ostrich with the head buried in the sand; that some people get irate when others tell them there is a world outside the sand is just though. + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
I do belittle people for their beliefs but I always belittle them when all i do is criticizing without checking applicable data: my feelings get hurt because they show me the weak foundation of the source beliefs: Read "alice in wonderland" by Source (my god )
saya GNOSISQUEST
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aminnagpure (126) ranked 1,093 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
i dont think he has hurt any one 1, all he is saying is truth
TRUTH IS TRUTH it will popup with a nagging screen,
his topics are putting more light on the reasons for growing terrorism in muslim world, all they want is jihad, no 1 thinks like that except them
there should be the reason for that, and he is somewhat telling us the reasons
i guess there is 1 more big reason, that is they are too jealous of the developed world and the 1 who is showing progress and destined to be sucessful, thats why they want to halt there progress by doing bomb blast, printing fake currency notes and doing all kinds of crazy stuff just to gain attention for there stupid cause + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
Lol
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5. dorothyDauphinee (170) ranked 3,138 out of 8,205 in religion
1 week ago
in islam women are regarded as non persons I thought you of all persons who are highly educated would be aware of this fact!
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Haraaz (23) ranked 7,543 out of 8,205 in religion
1 week ago
You can't be more wrong.:-)
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
1 week ago
LOL; I desired to see what Muslim females had to say and all I can see so far is that they do not employ the Koran or Hadits. It seems to me that they get the inspiration from Aladdin’s lamp. + -
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dorothyDauphinee (170) ranked 3,138 out of 8,205 in religion
1 week ago
you mean you found some who are allowed to think?? + -
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dorothyDauphinee (170) ranked 3,138 out of 8,205 in religion
1 week ago
Haraaz (7) you have to be muslim!I am not wrong you are decieved my friend + -
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
1 week ago
I did find some that think;... except when it comes to their belief system. + -
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Makro74 (48) ranked 7,694 out of 8,205 in religion
6 days ago
dorothy,
Ermm....... wait I need to scratch my head... ahh.... my lovely wife is a woman in the fold of Islam - she has friends and goes out in to the world. She practices Islam of her own will, eg she would never where a bathing costume in hot weather, as I am sure you would not go naked in the street just because its hot. Of my own free will I would not go on a beach in just bathing gear either.
My wife is not regarded as a non person, she is the beacon of my life which has been made complete with her arrival. Three lovely children and a loving family. She argues when she feels things are wrong, she puts her foot down when things get out of hand. But most of all she respects the institution of marriage as a union of male and female having equal status, other than matters of authority.
What you have instilled in your mind is the concept that in Islam, male authority is absolute and final. This is incorrect and arrogant of men in Islam who practice this. Islam gives women freedoms and equals of choice, but within the circle of females. The same is true for men. They have freedoms and choices in the circle of men. This is the true Islamic purdah.
However, I hear you say, this is impractical. Of course, men and women have to inevitably cross paths and communicate. Islam says, eyes down and speak swiftly. Do we practice this as Muslims? No, most of us do not.
On the authority question, men collectively would have authority over women as a point of common sense, not as a whipping tool. In family circles, the elders have the upper hand as to the fathers. Mutual respect and love, is what has to be the key to make it work, and love is the key in Islam.
But you are right, I say the above with aww, because many of our Muslim brothers do not see this, and seem to get a buzz of controlling their women. This totally skewed in the eyes of Islam.
I am highly educated but I take my Islamic teachings from the Quran and the Holy Prophet. And if these modern preachers are to be listened to, then the Quran is the first point of reference. + -
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dorothyDauphinee (170) ranked 3,138 out of 8,205 in religion
6 days ago
if all the above is truth (i would like to hear you wife's truth )then you are a one in a million!I myself thank my God(Not Allah) every day that i was not born a Muslim! + -
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cyntrow (2654) ranked 16 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Men have authority over women as a form of common sense??? Please explain this. + -
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dorothyDauphinee (170) ranked 3,138 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
common sence!I think not!
woman was not created from the head of man to lord it over him!
nor was she made from his feet so he could walk on her will!
but she was taken from his side(from his rib) to be his equal and his helpmate
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Makro74 (48) ranked 7,694 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
dorothy,
First comment, you picked up on my wife, thank you, she is lovely and I don't boss her or command in any way. Thank you for your comments. She in fact gives me a rollocking, and I totally respect that.
Second comment, you pick up on this after thinking - common sense authority. The problem often is, forgive me, that one cannot say much without seeming politically incorrect. This point which seems to ring alarm bells out my whole passage is not intended to offend so please do not take it as such.
What I meant was twofold. First, men and women should not mix. But in non-Islamic societies they do, this is the way of life. When they do not mix, there are two sets of people, male and female, separated by the Islamic form of Purdah. Their paths only cross in matters of urgency or immediate families, and of course marriage. If this is the ordinance, (collective)then in matters of national and other matters, one has to take the lead - usually this is the male group. Hence, the authority. When it comes to marriage as well, usually the head of the household is the male. This is what I mean by the commonsense authority in matters of unity and leading with strength.
Having said that - this is where most people fall, critics and advocates alike misunderstand this very important point. Authority is only symbolic and there as an ultimate power, but should never be excersised. Women are not restricted to go to school, get an education or go out to work. They are not restricted to buy make up, jewellery or clothes, they can drive - and most importantly they are not (contrary to popular beleif) supposed to restricted to high office jobs. The only restriction that Islam places on women is that they do it in privacy away from men or avoid a male environment. This is the true teaching of Islam.
But rarely is this practiced. Either you get, women covered head to toe and caged in her house, or you get women scantily clad with freedom to flirt. At the same time, men seem to think that women are properties, Islam forbids this.
Having said that, my wife is reminded from time to time to wear a head scarf, the basic requirement of purdah, but I will not ram it down her throat. She does it of her own free will, as she now does not like tight clothing.
Islam, in the Quran gives women equal rights with men, and prohibits abuse to women. Men are physically stronger, and some Muslims have taken this as a licence to beat and abuse their women. This is not the way. We are the quiet ones, our marriages are successful, our women are happy, and we try to potray the best tenets of our religion. Unfortunately, those Muslims who abuse the teachings of the Quran, and then others trying just for the sake of abuse, cannot see that Islam itself, is supposed to portray love and peace to mankind, not abuse and hatred or terror. + -
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dorothyDauphinee (170) ranked 3,138 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
my friend you must have got your muslim teaching from a source other than the quoran for it yeaches none of the tollerances you espouse in this posting you almost sound reasonable a thing i have never found in the quoran and yes i have read it and its one reason I thank my maker i was not born muslim! + -
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cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
dorothy, Allah is merely the Arabic word for god. If you get a Christian Bible, as used in Egypt by the coptic christians, as used in Syria, Lebanon or Israel by other orthodox faiths, you will see clearly that Allah is the Arabic word for God.
Check it out for yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
again u r cool
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dorothyDauphinee (170) ranked 3,138 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
cooler1968 if you read the bible in the new testament you will read of Jesus the son of my Go YWEH whilst the quoran clearly states that Allah has no son so it appears clear to me that they cannot be one and the same God!and since my God specifica;y warns me to worship no other Gos but him i must reject your Allah + -
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cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
Hold on a moment .... read it again!
Arab christians, orthodox people who speak Arabic - the people who profess the same belief as you, call God "Allah"
It is simply the arabic word for God.
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dorothyDauphinee (170) ranked 3,138 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
not to me if they worship allah then no way are they christian!!! + -
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cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
Oh yes they are! Very much so, and most if not all mainstream Christians would believe that to be the case! I think you are very much out of touch with your own faith.
Look at it this way:
The French say "Dieu", the Germans say "Gott", the Spanish say "Dios", the Danish say "Gud", the Finnish people say "Jumala", the Italians say "Dio", the Lithuanians say "Dievas", the Polish say "Bóg", the Portuguese say "Deus", the Romanians say "Divinitate". All say the same thing. That word they say translates to GOD in their language.
It is the same with God.
I have shown you the Wikipedia link which states what I say here, and you do not believe. You get your ideas from some website, or some guy who believes there is no God whatsoever.
From "Nostra Aetate", a document of the Second Vatican Council, it states:
"...The Church has also a high regard for the Muslims. They worship God, who is one, living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men. They strive to submit themselves without reserve to the hidden decrees of God, just as Abraham submitted himself to God's own plan, to whoe faith Muslims eagerly link their own."
That document was not written on a whim. It was a carefully and well thought out statement about what a Christian Church thought about Islam. They didnt say "Allah", they said Muslims worship God.
Hope you can finally understand that!
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dorothyDauphinee (170) ranked 3,138 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
I DON'T care how or what others say if you will read the quoran you will read that" Allah has no son!" if you read in the bible when Jesus was baptised God saID FROM HEAVEN "THIS IS MY BELOVED SON "TELL ME HOW THEN IF ONE HAS A SON AND THE OTHER DOSENT THEN THEY cannot BE ONE AND THE SAME!!@!so you my friend are wrong as for what sort of Christian I am well I am not a member of the miss led denominations I am a follow of Jesus AND HIS FATHER YAWEH + -
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cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
Look, its as simple as this. Allah is the arabic word for God.
To imply anything else would be stupid - but hey, thats your call! + -
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Makro74 (48) ranked 7,694 out of 8,205 in religion
23 hours ago
Dorothy,
I see some of the premises you are referring to. Since you mentioned specifically the Quran here are some examples
In 3:196: So their Lord answered their prayers saying ' I will allow not the work of any worker, whether male or female, to be lost. You are from one another.'
IN 33:36: Surely, men who submit themselves to God and women who submit themselves to Him, and beleiving men and believing women, and obedient men and obedient women......Allah has prepared for all of them forgiveness and a great reward.
In both the above verses, women are given ample prestige in equal measure with men. But what you could be referring to is the rank issues in marriage, and the 'obedience' and 'submissive' passages in the Quran. When you look at such verses, giving authority to husbands, one assumes a negative teaching. Especially, when the verses are interpretated so brutaly by some Muslim quarters.
With respect, your points are valid when you look at the world a male beating women and assuming Islam gives licence to that. This is very far from reality, a reality that many muslim brothers have negated.
As I said, with my own values, I apply the Quran with my wife's being, I do not apply it to her. This is the difference. Women are not sheep, they have intellect and human values and feelings. They need to be trusted a bit more to make decisions, but within the confines of decency. The guardians of that tend to be men.
But, this is often forgotten as well. If the male is arrogant enough to say he is the boss, she has to listen and obey - then Islam also says that men need to be guided and mend their ways. If they don't listen to their wives then how is possible.
Implicitly, the balance is of who is more talented in certain areas and the mutual respect of each other. Explicitly, Islam only says that the male is the provider for the family and it his reponsibility, no matter what to put food and cloth the family. Women can earn, but they can keep their money with no recourse for the husband. When taken for marriage, men have to fix a dowry which is fair for the woman's security. Physically also the male is bigger and stronger. These are the reasons for the male rank. She is spending out his wealth.
But again, this is been abused to such an extent that, women are working out of necessacity, because they the freedom and enjoyment they need is no longer available at home. Couple this with restrictive males and cases of trapped females, beatings and caged women, this is what tarnishes the Islamic principles.
If anything, my family are example of how Islam should be, simple, moderate and based on Taqwa (righteousness), not principles which are literally applied to destroy another's life.
Incidently, this also applies to all the terror groups who assume Islam promotes this simply not true. For they pick out literal and fundamental verses and completely misinterpret the Quran. Islam basic tenet is peace and love for mankind. How can they then advocate terror or beating women?
If Dorothy, you sepeprate the two, then you get Islam as peaceful and simple, the way as Muhammad (pbuh) taught, or you can look at various examples of people who cite Islam but are guilty of things totally unislamic.
All I am saying, these people do not represent necessarily the true Islam.
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6. freethinkingagent (540) ranked 5,392 out of 8,205 in religion
1 week ago
I don't know about Muslim women but I would like to be reincarnated as a tyrannosaurus!
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
1 week ago
I heard it stated that you could have whatever you desired by some of the people here so I would like to have Hell abolished along with punishment by fire.
On top of that I would like a clear cut instruction manual for all of humanity and then I would like the God(s) to leave us alone so we can create a civilization that deserve the term! + -
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freethinkingagent (540) ranked 5,392 out of 8,205 in religion
1 week ago
Then hopefully we will both get our desire, I wish to be a tyrannosaurus so I can devour the wicked! ha ha. Hey check out my star! I make them angrier than you do, LOL, they didn't like my six post on Moses and the zodiac, Guess i wont bother taking them the rest of the way as my star will disappear with my measly earnings LOL, + -
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
Yes I saw your star; its what happens when you write things which go against the preconceptions of those that don't know anything and believe they know it all. + -
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7. positiveminded1977 (3859) ranked 386 out of 8,205 in religion
1 week ago
LOL! I am afraid I don't know the answer to this one. I did read somewhere that in the Muslim heaven there are only men and beautiful women to satisfy their sexual needs. So maybe "good" women continue satisfying men's sexual needs in heaven too. Of course, I may be mistaken.
Cheers and happy Mylotting
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
You have it about right; in your opinion do you think Muhammad is the world’s greatest pimp? + -
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Makro74 (48) ranked 7,694 out of 8,205 in religion
6 days ago
gnquoest
Positivemind has made an analogy, came to an opinion. You however, seem to be waiting everywhere for people to make a free comment and turn it into a joking insult.
I have dismissed much of your arguments in the past, and you seem always to resort to low intellect and cheap jokes when you have nothing better to say.
To call a renowned spiritual faith leader, respected and revered by many around the world, a pimp, do you not think yourself that this is below the belt and insulting?
Please reflect on my comments, and try not to be so insulting! + -
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positiveminded1977 (3859) ranked 386 out of 8,205 in religion
6 days ago
Hmm... just because people are revered by a majority doesn't make them worth revering.:)
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
6 days ago
Children of Islam are told about their wonderful paradise where they will have the desire of a hundred men and females whose only desire is their pleasures; what do you call it?
Nothing I have stated has been refuted; there has not been any of you that have come with any proof or even any strong evidence that Muhammad was anything but a person that got soldiers to sacrifice their lives for an empty promise! + -
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Makro74 (48) ranked 7,694 out of 8,205 in religion
6 days ago
positivemind
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Makro74 (48) ranked 7,694 out of 8,205 in religion
6 days ago
GnOquest,
Here we go again,
Children of Islam, are taught about Paradise as part of thier whole religous teachings from the Quran and Hadiths. Nowhere do we teach children about sexual matters or promiscuity until they are of a marriagable age. That is the first thing.
Second, and greater point, virgins, women are not of explicit paradise connotations in the Quran. Explicit are reqards for doing good works wherein 'Gardens beneath which rivers flow', attaining the highest stations in Paradise for where the most comfort and nearness to God will be attained. Whatever good is available in this world, is ten times above what is available in this world.
So, this connotation, that Muslims would get Virgins, is completely skewed in the fact that, it is not necessarily the best pleasure and for many who do good works there are far more comforts that they will enjoy beyond the meagre lustful pleasures, which are impure in themselves.
Moreover, women themselves, will attain their own status, and God has their place as well.
But I know who I am responding to.... deaf and blind as well! + -
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
6 days ago
What is this 'status' and how does a woman attain it?
By being an obedient little breeder in this life. She must spend her life subservient to men and even then there is no guarantee she will get to paradise because allah makes no promises. A person could spend their whole lives working to attain it only to screw up five minutes before they die and end up in hell.
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
6 days ago
Makro:
You completely ignore real facts just like all other Muslims.
The fact such as Abraham was not a real person but allegorical forefathers of the Judaic/Shasu tribe go completely over your heads. Islam is based on the same errors as Judaism; a rewrite of Babylonica by Berossus and Egyptian history by Merneptah.
Children of Islam are lied to and the little teenage boys preparing to become martyrs in the camps of the different Islamic terror organizations do so with a view of a paradise which does not exist where they believe they will become real men with all the pleasures of real men!
What did Mohammad sell his soldiers?
What does that make Muhammad?
What do you call it when someone sells something which there is no evidence for?
When everything is supposed to be ten times better than in this world all you do is make people live in a future dream world and if they fall for the nonsense they waste the one life which we know they have. With all the evidence against the possibilities in Islam only brainwashing can account for people following the absurdities. + -
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Makro74 (48) ranked 7,694 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
sndcain,
Nice to hear from you again. But, with respect, you picked up on only women and status in my passage. Seems that this is all that turns you on about Muslims and their way of life.
But for your benefit, your argument applies to both men and women. And if you screw up, well thats.. ha ha ha, your problem. But if you choose to be arrogant and ignorant, well... ha ha ha.. that's your problem as well.
Women are of very high status in Islam, whether you beleive or not, I have explained this to you before. Men and women are equal, but collectively separated. Women achieve very high statuses in this life, if only people allow them to be. This is not a religous practice but a male practice of dominance and shameful repression of women which Islam is totally against. + -
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Makro74 (48) ranked 7,694 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Gnoquesy
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Makro74 (48) ranked 7,694 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
sncain
Oh by the way, you and your friend were looking for Muslim women to comment on your views, take a look below and find Proud Muslim speaking for the women.
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Makro:
As usual your answers leave a lot to be desired!
How can you be surprised at me not falling for your beliefs when you have no defense for important questions? + -
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cyntrow (2654) ranked 16 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Makro, you didn't answer any of the questions. They asked what do women get in paradise if men get virgins. You skirted around it. Is it because you don't know the answer? or is it because by answering it might take you out of your comfort zone? + -
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Makro74 (48) ranked 7,694 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
cynthrow,
I do apologise, did I skirt that? Ooops!
Women get the greatest gift, they attain nearness to God, and rewarded loftily for their actions and good works. They will enter gardens beneath which rivers flow. They will attain an abundance of all that they desired in this life. They will meet all their fellow noble beings, and live in comfort eternally and peacefully.
Men, well they would have to try harder to attain the same level, and they too will enter Paradise according to their deeds. They will have no desire for virgins as these are for people of low mentality who indulge themselves in lustful pleasures. However, if this is one's desire, it will unlikely to be attained since carnal lust is a displeasure of God outside marriage. Piety does not allow such indulgences.
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Makro:
Thank you for giving us yet another rendition of what the afterlife would be like for Muslims.
Sounds like a truly sound foundation; every Muslim interprets Muhammad's Paradise in a different fashion and still there is no evidence any of it is correct! + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
back to the topic
Women in USA are Not Safe
In USA women were allowed to join the battle since 1901 but they were not allowed to take active part - They only played the part of a nurse.
Later on after the ‘Feminist MovementEhad started in 1973, the ‘Feminist movement demanded E‘Why aren’t women allowed to take active part in the battle field?
So the American government allowed women to take active part in the battle field.
And according to a report of the Defense Department of America, which was released on the 23rd of April, 1993 it said that, E0 people were sexually assaulted in a convention, out of which 83 were women and 117 officers were charged with in disciplinary actionE Imagine in one convention only, 83 women sexually assaulted.
What was the crime of those 117 officers?
They made the women run and they snatched at their clothes. They made them parade absolutely nude without even covering the genital parts. They were made to have sex in public.
Is this what you call ‘Women’s rights
If you think that this is what is ‘Women’s right then you can keep your rights to yourselves. We do not want our sisters, our daughters our mothers to be sexually assaulted.
And there was a uproar in the parliament and the President, Bill Clinton - he himself had to apologize publicly and he said, ‘Necessary action will be takenE
And you know when politicians say ‘necessary action will be taken, what happens.
So Islam allows women to take part in the battle field only when required.
But there also they should maintain their Islamic dress and the Islamic ethics, and their modesty.
USA Has One of the Highest Rates of Rape
United States of America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries of the world. It also has one of the highest rates of rape in any country in the world. According to a FBI report, in the year 1990, every day on an average 1756 cases of rape were committed in U.S.A alone. Later another report said that on an average everyday 1900 cases of rapes are committed in USA. The year was not mentioned. May be it was 1992 or 1993. May be the Americans got ‘bolderEin the following years.Let us analyze the Economical rights - Islam gave economical rights to the women 1,300 years before the West.
An adult Muslim woman can own, she can dispose or disown any of her property without consulting any one, irrespective whether she is married or she is single.
In 1870, it was the first time in England, that the West recognized the rights of the married woman, where she was allowed to own or dispose any of her property without consultation.
Islamic Law Let's Women Breathe Easily
Consider a scenario where the Islamic law is implemented in America. Whenever a man looks at a woman and any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he lowers his gaze. Every woman wears the Islamic dress as mentioned in Quran. After this if any man commits rape he is given capital punishment. I ask you, in such a scenario, will the rate of rape in America increase, will it remain the same, or will it decrease?
If Islamic law is implemented in any part of the world, women will breathe easier.
If we agree with the ‘Women’s rights in IslamE as portrayed by the Western media, you have no option, but to agree that the ‘Women’s rights in IslamEare outdated.
The Western talk of women’s liberation, is actually a disguised form of exploitation of her body, deprivation of her honour and degradation of her soul.
The Western society which speaks of upgrading the status of women in Islam, have actually reduced her status to concubines, to mistresses, to society butterflies, which are mere tools in the hands of sex marketers and pleasure seekers, which are disguised behind the colorful screen of art and culture.
The Qur’an says that Hijaab has been prescribed for the women so that they are recognized as modest women and this will also prevent them from being molested.
. Example of twin sisters
Suppose two sisters who are twins, and who are equally beautiful, walk down the street. One of them is attired in the Islamic hijaab i.e. the complete body is covered, except for the face and the hands up to the wrists. The other sister is wearing western clothes, a mini skirt or shorts. Just around the corner there is a hooligan or ruffian who is waiting for a catch, to tease a girl. Whom will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijaab or the girl wearing the skirt or the mini? Naturally he will tease the girl wearing the skirt or the mini. Such dresses are an indirect invitation to the opposite sex for teasing and molestation. The Qur’an rightly says that hijaab prevents women from being molested.
Western society falsely claims to have uplifted women
Western talk of women’s liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul, and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketers, hidden behind the colorful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’.
so implement hijab in the us you will see the result
dont be modern
become ultraaaaaaaa modern
please do not give links to immoral videos
Women Rights in Islam
Islam’s radical revolutionary support, gave women their due right and status in the days of ignoranceE1,400 years ago.
Islam’s objective was and continues to be, to modernise our thinking, our living, our seeing, our hearing, our feeling and striving for the women’s upliftment and emancipation in the society.
Before I dwell further with the topic, I would like you to make note of a few points.
Approximately one fifth of the world’s population, consists of Muslims. There are different Muslim societies - Some may be close to Islam, some may be far away from Islam.
The ‘Women’s rights in Islam should judged according to the authentic sources, and not what individual Muslims do, or what the Muslim society does.
The authentic sources of Islam, are the Qur’an, which is the word of God, and the authentic Sunnah, and the traditions of our beloved Prophet (peace be upon him).
Qur’an will never contradict itself, nor will the authentic Hadith contradict itselfE neither will these two authentic sources, contradict each other.
Sometimes the scholars differ, and many a times, these differences can be removed by analyzing the Qur’an as a whole, and not just by quoting one particular Verse. Because if one particular verse of the Qur’an is ambiguous many a times the answer is given somewhere else in the Qur’an - Some people quote one source and neglect all the other sources.
It is the duty of every Muslim, male or female, to seek the pleasure of God, and to act as His trustee on this world, and not to try and gain fame or satisfy one’s own ego.
Islam believes in equality of men and women E‘EqualityEdoes not mean ‘identicalityE
In Islam, the role of a man and woman is complimentary, it is not conflicting. It is that of a partnership, it is not contradictory, so as to strive for supremacy.
Women Rights in the West
If we agree with the ‘Women’s rights in IslamE as portrayed by the Western media, you have no option, but to agree that the ‘Women’s rights in IslamEare outdated.
The Western talk of women’s liberation, is actually a disguised form of exploitation of her body, deprivation of her honour and degradation of her soul.
The Western society which speaks of upgrading the status of women in Islam, have actually reduced her status to concubines, to mistresses, to society butterflies, which are mere tools in the hands of sex marketers and pleasure seekers, which are disguised behind the colorful screen of art and culture.
Dr Naik
To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant
AMOS BRONSON ALCOTT
“Telling the truth to people who misunderstand you is generally promoting a falsehood, isn't it?
your videos well i checked one of them it required signing in a true Christian does not watch such videos
i do not know how you manage watching them and you post the link of you tube videos as a response for official statistics there is something missing here
“It's not hard to find the truth. What is hard is not to run away from it once you have found it.”
DR NAIK
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aminnagpure (126) ranked 1,093 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
why virgins are given so much weight, i will tell you 1 big truth a big medical problem, that if you try virgin without a condom, then it is most likely you get infected with a sexual disease, which will be shame and a big pain..
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
Now my friend pure please read the above response you have written on something irrelevant + -
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8. sudiptacallingu (3997) ranked 610 out of 8,205 in religion
1 week ago
I think all religions are concoctions and reflections of patriarchal society and none is better than the other in treatment of women. Original versions of all religions treat women more as property and less as individuals and since men have been the primary bread-winner, the sole duty of women was to keep them happy in all possible ways and hence ensure their own bread too! So of course no provision for women being ‘rewarded in heaven’…don’t they get all the rewards in this life itself in terms of free food and comfort while the poor man toils outside?
Don’t know about Muslim women, but we Hindus have not been any better in our treatment of women (albeit a lot of progress has been made in recent times) and it was a common wish of oppressed and depressed Hindu women to be born as males in their next life.
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
Yes it seems that the last society which treated women properly was the Egyptians prior to the Babylonian invasion some 2600 years ago. + -
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Makro74 (48) ranked 7,694 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Muhammad treated his women the best!
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Makro:
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Makro74 (48) ranked 7,694 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Gnquesy
wow, well done! You've proved one thing at least, you can use capital letters! + -
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PrarieStyle (290) ranked 1,606 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Muhammad beat his women that's one of the reasons he made all women cover. + -
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rameshkumaar57 (247) ranked 505 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Sudipta, how can you say this, you of all the people, dont we worship mother Kali, in fact for us Hindus, it is the mother which we worship, and our Indian woman have been worshipped as Devi. In fact our goddess of wealth is Lakshmi, and tell me in how many religions do they have a temple for a woman, look at India, there is a temple dedicated to sakthi in every corner of the street. + -
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sudiptacallingu (3997) ranked 610 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
Yes Ramesh, we do and we also have one of the highest incidents in the world on violence against women…and I don’t mean violence outside home but inside it. Starting with female foeticide and ending with bride burning for dowry. Let us not be blind Ramesh but let us admit our shortcomings then at least we will know how to cure ourselves.
Also let me admit something for which most Hindus will lynch me…to me Lord Ram is nothing more than a quintessential male chauvinist because of the way he treated his wife Sita. She who had followed him everywhere and tolerated all hardships just to be with her husband, he banished her after returning to Ayondhya just because people started ‘talking’ about her character as she had spent time in Ravana’s palace. Was Rama fair with Sita? NO…similarly our society has never been fair with its women, no matter how much we worship Shakti. + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
i agree with both of you
a coin has two sides
BTW i worship lord BRAHMA (the creator)
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aminnagpure (126) ranked 1,093 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
sudiptacllaingu
you are talking about the tribal people, they dont follow hindu religion, they follow there own..
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sudiptacallingu (3997) ranked 610 out of 8,205 in religion
18 hours ago
Aminnagpure,
Sorry, I could not understand your response. What tribal religion am I talking about? Look around you and if you are true, you will see and agree to the plight of Hindu girls all over India. The condition has certainly improved but a lot more needs to be done.
On the other hand, I have seen tribal women as more free and involved in their societies than traditional Hindu girls. + -
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sudiptacallingu (3997) ranked 610 out of 8,205 in religion
18 hours ago
Mathss,
Why and how do you worship Lord Brahma? + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
13 hours ago
lord Brahma is the creator I can call him by a different but the creator remains the same
I call him GOD in INDIAN language he is known as LORD Brahma is there any difference between them
Thankyou
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9. ProudMuslimGirl (118) ranked 1,212 out of 8,205 in religion
1 week ago
Hi Gnosisquest,
In Paradise, men and women will be equal. God says in the Qur'an:
~ " I will not let the deeds of any doer among you go to waste, male or female, you are both the same in that respect,... I will erase their bad actions and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing under them, as a reward from Allah.."
~ " Anyone who acts rightly, male or female, being a believer, We will give them a good life and will recompense them according to the best of what they did. "
~ " Anyone, male or female, who does right actions and believers, will enter the Garden. They will not be wronged by so much as the tiniest speck. "
~ " Whoever does an evil act will only be repaid by its eqivalent. But whoever acts rightly, male or female, being a believer, such a person will enter the Garden, wherein they will be provided for without any reckoning. "
~ " The men and women of the hypocrites are as bad as one another. They command what is wrong and forbid what is right,.."
These are just a few examples which I could collect for now. So i meant that anyone, male or female, will be rewarded or pinished according to his/her deeds. They will be equal either in Paraidise or Hell.
May God guide us all.
Have a nice day:)
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Nseries (16) ranked 7,687 out of 8,205 in religion
1 week ago
Salaam
Brother gnosis we already dealt with this topic in our discussion i do not think you need to ask the same question twice
Or were your eyes closed
Proudmuslimgirl
Salaam sister
Good response
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
I just wondered what people based their beliefs on; you gave me no evidence Nseries and what the people are saying here just makes me wonder how anyone can believe that infantile nonsense. + -
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gurkha786 (19) ranked 8,196 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
Gnosisquest
seems to me you get your inspirations from your sewerage department. You are a real retard you know becoz contrary to what u and others are saying you just cannot admit that muslim women are happy with islam. If you had done your homework properly you would have known that women are stronger then men in their belief/religious duties in islam after all the women are the first teachers that anyone will have. islams first school or madarsa as you would like is a childs mothers lap. what they teach us is wat we grow into. and you know wat americas greatest loony dump is missing a retard and its you. + -
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
Of course I forgot; I forgot all about Afghanistan, the Taliban and all other examples of the wonderful equality Muslim women enjoy.
How about the stoning to death of a thirteen year old rape victim because she was unfaithful?
If your women claim to be so happy it would only indicate how suppressed they really are.
By the way I understand your derogatory language as you would feel guilty when people point out the flaws of your brainwashing. + -
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Nseries (16) ranked 7,687 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
I think your eyes were closed in the previous discussion
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
No satisfactory answers have been provided by anyone; there exist no evidence that Islam makes anyone a better person. There is no evidence that there is anything but lies and deceptions in the Koran. + -
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Nseries (16) ranked 7,687 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
Prove your point
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ProudMuslimGirl (118) ranked 1,212 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
Gnosisquest,
So you "Proved" that the Qur'an is full of lies? Congratulations! So what do you want to prove next? Why do you care that much? I always find your hatful posts about Islam, what will you gain by doing this? Why don't you do something more beneficial? Why don't you follow your religion -if you have any- and ask God's guidance for yourself and for those 1.5 Billion who are "so stupid" believing in a book full of lies? Why don't you love everyone and pray for them?
Try to keep your hatred inside yourself, why always you are trying to prove things in other religions? Why don't you leave people alone?
And to Muslims, if after trying to prove your point, you find that the other one is just arguing, leave him and don't argue. Allah said " ...and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious. ", but this arguing which will never help is forbidden and can be from the major sins especially because we are not scholars. You can advise and try to clarify the misconception but if they still argue without trying to understand but just to argue, please stop and leave them and speak with others in something beneficial which can benefit you and your iman.
May God guide you and guide us all. + -
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
Correction:
I do not hate anyone; I would like to provide an opportunity for everyone to lead better more productive lives instead of living in an imaginary world.
The fantasy world of Islam creates excuses for people to murder and destroy the lives of others; witness the Taliban and countless other terrorist organizations. Weeding out the false religions which permit such crimes is a service improving the quality of life for all of humanity. + -
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ProudMuslimGirl (118) ranked 1,212 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
So if you are trying to lead better more productive lives, why don't you just tell them about the "straight path" without talking about other religions? As a Muslim, I don't ever try to prove my religion by attacking other religions, on contrary, I defend them when someone tries to insult or talk in a bad way about them. Why don't you say that your religion or the religion you see is good, is good without saying that others are bad?!
I don't ever listen to something trying to say that in a book of any religion, there is hatred or whatever. I just try to tell others that my book is good.
Advise people telling them "Do such and such" but not by saying "Other religions are bad"!
No, this "fantasy" world of Islam doesn't create excuses for people to murder. Murder is one of the 70 Major Sins in Islam. Major sins in Islam will not ever be forgiven except by real repentance and there are verses and hadiths which make us fear doing those Major sins or any sin in general.
Those who do this, don't know the real message of Islam. They get verses out of context just like Islam-haters and try to justify their hatred and deeds. Those who kill innocents and commit suicide, don't follow Islam well. They are full of hatred because of all what they hear from those who hate Islam and do what they see is right because they don't follow Islam to know that this is wrong.
I'm not looking for a debate and as I said, arguing won't help and I don't like to argue, I'm just trying to clarify that those who attack in the name of religion, are NOT following Islam and the best proof to this, is that i'm Muslim and I'm against anyone who kills innocents in the name of Islam because this is NOT Islam. And all the verses and hadiths about killing and war is just to defend ourselves when others attack us and all the wars at the time of the Prophet were either started by the Pagans or Jews or they planned to go and kill Muslims.
Anyway, its not the topic now so I just want to tell you, please leave us alone. I agree with you that there are many bad Muslims, but there are many good ones too. They are weak I know but good and religious and respect others. So don't generalize and leave those good ones to live in safe without filling others with hatred towards them, their religion or their Prophet.
Our governments, politicians and bad Muslims are enough to make us hate living in this world, so don't increase this by insulting or talking badly about us, our religion or our Prophet. Please respect us, we are really tired of this.
You may feel that i'm weak and not speaking like those who are strong, arguing day and night without getting bored but I like this because its better than arguing and trying to defend a religion which God knows that its the truth and He can show the truth any time but He gives everyone a chance to know the truth by himself/herself so we can only advise and talk politely but if someone will just start arguing, we shoul stop. I'm against this hatred.
Leave us to live in an "imaginary world", leave us think that we are right, then God is the one who will judge, right?. He will reward everyone by what he/she deserves.
So you won't lose anything if we will be punished for believing in a wrong religion! We are the ones who will be punished, not you. And if you believe you are right, you are free too but don't hate and insult or talk in a bad way about other religions.
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Makro74 (48) ranked 7,694 out of 8,205 in religion
6 days ago
Gnoquest, and other (especially some American women on this site),
Above is an example of a Muslim woman. Numerous occasions, I have posted responses and some people say that responses are from Muslim men only. Well above is your answer! Funny where all those American women are now who were requesting this.
To GnOq, I think you like arguing for the sake of arguing - you seem to think your point is proven, just by your comments. People give you evidence and you dissmiss them. You seem and blind and oblivious to what is presented to you, and you hide behind this website to air derogatary comments.
Blind mice will always be blind! May God help you. + -
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (592) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
6 days ago
What makes a person strong is the ability to stand upon the words of the truth, and the truth is that the religions foundations are built upon shifting sands.
For if it is wrong to kill why condone killing?
Why make excuses for the murders while giving the weak a place to think they can do anything at all, prayer is not the answer to the killing in the streets.
GOD exists in all of us and we all have a need for the rule of law to work as it is designed.
No law, no work... Look at America ending the year 2008 will they ever learn?
I see a bunch of hypocrisy and excuses for 1000's of years of failures, it is not civilized to violate each other.
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (592) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
6 days ago
Science might be able to give the mouse his sight back!
It depends on a few conditions.
sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
6 days ago
ProudMuslimGirl should know that pride in Islam is a very deadly sin, particularly in regards to women.
Women are to be humble and obedient to their husbands and allah because that is the only way they can get to paradise.
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
6 days ago
I do not ignore real evidence but when someone presents me with evidence that the Koran is correct which comes from beliefs held by previous societies I do ignore them. Many advocates of Islam take ancient legends and beliefs which are repeated in the Koran and twist them to make a point and such absurd pieces of evidence is only indicative of the failed education of Muslims.
When you get things like man being created out of congealed blood, which in reality was an ancient Greek proposition, and twist it to prove the value of the Koran it only proves the value of the argument.
That type of arguments are all I see, there is nothing new in the Koran, nothing divine and those that calls me blind for understanding this speak very loudly about themselves while they say nothing about me. + -
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gurkha786 (19) ranked 8,196 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Gnosisquest
i havent seen u or sndcain prove anything. when we say we want proof we want it from the HOLY QURAAN, if you dont want to read it thats your problem not ours okay. so to both of you either you prove what are you saying or just F/O. + -
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Prove??? We don’t have anything to prove; we make no statements about killers receiving messages from a God or anything else having to do with supernatural phenomenons! You are the ones who make such claims and you get angry when we prove that your material is in question. You get angry when we ask for proof so for us to believe you are anything but poor mislead souls is natural.
All we want you to do is see the error of your ways so that you can free yourselves from the burden of believing in the magic kingdom/paradise of the war-lord! + -
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Makro74 (48) ranked 7,694 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Gnquesy
You do have to prove, because you are the one's who try to DISPROVE the teachings of ISLAM. You question the merits of texts (often without substance), you are the one who creates assumptions from nothing. The proof is in the Quran, you choose to interpret it with a blindfold on. And yet you have the audasity to accuse your respondents of none proof.
As shewolf proved with you, it is a matter of opinion of what people beleive, but you, you do not accept that. You seem to think that a respondent refuting your arguments is angry. Whilst you may hit a nerve with some, (with many if you resort to insults eg calling Muhammad a pimp), you must understand that whatever your view point, you must gain respect for it. In order to do this, you must not be so quick to jump on the hate bandwagon(you may not be doing this intentionally but it seems that way half the time).
Learn to respond by respecting other posts, do not riddicule yourself with lame arguments. You either have vast amounts of time or just bent on responding to anything that does not meet your strict narrow criteria.
If this is a deeper problem, then I would seriously consider seeking medical advice. You may have been abused as a child or have serious life issues. A narrow mind is never a good one.
Child, women, doctors, mechanics, christians, workers, managing directors, muslims, christians, jews etc.
We all belong to the human race, so a broader approach is well appreciated in matters of religion. + -
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
You said it, now if you had stated that it was your opinion that the Koran was divinely inspired I would have had no problem with it at all.
If it is ridicule of Islam to point out its shortcomings then that is your problem. The material of the Koran as I repeatedly have stated could not have been an eternal book which came from a God since it deals with the situation of one area. It deals with the wishes of one man in particular.
Take for example Sura 66: 1-5: It is impossible to say what it is the Prophet has forbidden that Allah has made lawful to him, or when it is permissible to break oats etc. The question about what it meant was asked by Abdullah of Caliph Umar who explained it. The passage itself from the Koran needs the explanation and can not stand by itself. Had the Koran been an eternal book from a God such things would not exist. (The material which it dealt with would not be in a book from a God either).
I have given you and others abundant material of this nature and other things but you disregard everything that is presented. This material is proof; as is the action of Muslims in Muslim countries.
A broader approach would indeed be beneficial and one will appear as soon as I hear that it is only your opinion and not fact. I would not bother exposing Islam either if it was not for reports I hear such as 13 year old children being stoned to death for infidelity because she did not have enough witnesses to her rape. One such incident would have been too many but in countries which embrace Islam the atrocities are so humungous that something must be done to stop the epidemic. + -
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (592) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
What makes Islam false?
The belief founded by a book, if you need a book to know right from wrong then you need to rethink our presence upon this planet.
If GOD needs to send a messenger in the form of any person to convince you of something that is right or wrong then you need to rethink your presence on this planet.
Why can we not find the answer from with in our own psyche?
But we can, all we need to do is learn to grow up and think things in a positive manner.
What religion teaches is how to be them or us, positive or negative.
Why?
It is a control mechanism, power and control, for what purpose?
Well read my writings to know what I believe...
Put down your writings and the other person's writings and do your job...
Think about what you are doing next.
What is good and what is bad?
We all believe that the deliberate act of killing is bad... Correct? Okay' what can be killed?
People and relationships...
How do we stop the killing?
Through good communication, we bring peace and harmony...
What is good communication?
You say that GOD speaks through the Quaran or the Koran or what ever book you want to call it, the book could even be called the Bible or the Torah. The bottom line is that none of the books teach about all of the possibilities of how we could heal our world. None of them fix our relationships and not one is built upon an original thought or idea. That is the point that Gnosisquest is trying so hard to get you to understand.
Not one point is made in these texts that are not borrowed from some older religion.
We are all in the same boat together, we are on this planet called Earth, there is only one truth. That truth is not found in any one religion, we need to take the best of all religions and blend them together to find peace and harmony for our future however long that future might be.
We could live for (10,100,1,000) ten or a hundred maybe a thousand generations or more, we could all die tomorrow. What will it matter to the universe if we are all dead or living?
It will mater to all of us if we could attain eternal life through a spiritual awakening where we help each other establishing both peace and prosperity or love and wealth...
We could do so much for each other, instead of building more weapons and bombing each others country, we could heal the world.
All we have to do is work together to expose the corruption that exists in each and all of our countries.
Religion and Politics are corrupted and need to be washed clean...
We are done reading we are awake and it is time to do something about all of the victims and their sufferings.
Who else needs to suffer?
Nseries (16) ranked 7,687 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Salaam sister
will ou respond
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Nseries (16) ranked 7,687 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
please ask your doubt and give more detail
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
66:1-12 Sex relations should be confidential and harmonious; turn not away; seek virtue for self and family
Introduction
This is the tenth and last of the series of short Madinah Surahs which began with S.57: see Introduction to that Surah. The point dealt with here is: how far the turning away from sex or the opposition of one sex against another or a want of harmony between the sexes may injure the higher interest of society.
The date may be taken to be somewhere about A.H. 7.
Summary
1- The failings of the weaker sex should not turn away men from normal social life: harmony and mutual confidence should be taught and enforced, and God's blessing will descend on the virtuous even if their lot is cast with the wicked. (66:1-12)
Harmony and Confidence [66:1-12] The relations between the sexes are embittered by misunderstandings and conflicts that produce unhappiness and misery, personal and social. Harmony and confidence are due between the sexes, not disgust or isolation, which may please some but cause injustice to others. Respect each other's confidence, and if you fail, repent and make amends. The good man seeks virtue for himself and his family. If Evil is yoked to Good, it must take the fruit of its own deeds; the worldly tie will profit naught; but Good should firmly make a stand and will be saved, for God doth care for all His true devoted Servants.
SAYS MATHSS THE GENIUS
PEACE
MATHSS
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10. Haraaz (23) ranked 7,543 out of 8,205 in religion
1 week ago
I am muslim and - I know my religion better than any of you people.
All you do is taking some words out of the whole meaning, so that you won't understand the message.
Where have you heard all this you're talking about? That I don't get my inspiration from my religion? Do you know what fatwas is? Have you ever been to a Islamic site and asked questions? WHen you do that, they'll answer with referrals to the quran and the traditions of the Prophet (peace be upon him) - and that is - FROM THE RELIGION, not one's own mind. All I've written here has support in Islamic belief. Its not my own imagination as you seem to think...
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Nseries (16) ranked 7,687 out of 8,205 in religion
1 week ago
Good response brother
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
Haraaz:
You know what you are being told and evidently do not even stop long enough to consider what these answers mean. + -
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Haraaz (23) ranked 7,543 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
No, I think it's you who only know what you are being told, since you don't even know enough arabic to understand the Quran fully. I am a convert and I've read and studied arabic and the Quran and Hadiths, I'm not taking the entire Quran literally like some, but I understand metaphores and have a BRAIN to think for myself. Which you seem to lack... Sad, but true. I've read between the lines to understand the meaning, but you can never do that since you're not willing to - you are only here to provoke and accuse. + -
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
Reading the Koran and Hadith's without knowing the related material could make a person come to the conclusions you have.
The Koran however does not exist independent of other material. The Koran depends for explanation on the Hadith's, the Torah, Christian, Gnostic, Zoroastrian and other material.
It makes no difference what you think the book which states that this deity created all of mankind but closed the eyes of some so they can be punished is absurd. If you can read between the lines read between the lines of the Koran! The type of being which would have come with that material is anything but a God!
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Nseries (16) ranked 7,687 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
'I think your eyes were closed in the previous discussion ' + -
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
You mean they were like your mind?
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Makro74 (48) ranked 7,694 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Gnquesy
This is the problem with you. Perfectly good comments by Haraaz are twisted to sound like you are creating a myth of what he said.
Firstly, your first mistake - Haraaz pointed out that the Quran is not read literally, it requires a brain to decode its metaphors and hence reading between the lines. The hadith then supplements this. The mistake you are making, by not accurately commenting on Haraaz, is that you either don't realise or just want to make your own rules, is that the Quran comes first and the Hadith as codification of Islam. These are the two main sources of Islam. Even Hadith, if ever found contradicting the Quran, has to be reviewed thoroughly and thought of not accurate as Muhammad(pbuh) would never contradict the Quran. Also, all the law we need is in the Quran and the ways of practice in Hadith and Sunnah of the Holy Prophet pbuh.
Secondly, the other material you talk about is probably why you have so much problems with religion by over-comlicating simplicity. The Bible, the Quran and othe scriptures are what you should concentrate to get your arguments, and again a bit of intellect in reading them.
In the case of the Quran, before you attack Islam, remember, if you do find quotes from the Quran, then do so with one with an Arabic text next to it, since the Arabic text is the original text. Any interpretations are most reliable then. When this is done remember to read the surrounding passages and be sure to place them in the context in which they were written.
Once this is done, then can you have a respectable premise on which to base your arguments, otherwise you become baseless, blowing air just for the sake of it. + -
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
I do not even need the Koran to prove that the religion is meaningless for it is based to a large extent on Biblical characters that did not exist. Such people as Abraham, Moses and others are from Babylonian and Egyptian historians. The Israelites rewrote these histories to create their own ancient legends and this is enough proof that the religion is meaningless.
See for example this conversation: http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/770748.aspx
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Makro74 (48) ranked 7,694 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Gnquesy
I rest my case! Of course, therefore end of discussion. If the basis of Islam is the Quran, and you dismiss it, there is no discussion because there is no common ground. You cannot go anywhere else, because in the Quran lays the evidence.
Case finished
Good luck with your rants. You are well and truly buried, I would advise you not to dig any further. + -
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
My point exactly; the only evidence for the Koran is the Koran which is the same as no evidence at all. + -
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Makro74 (48) ranked 7,694 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Gnquesy,
Ha ha ha,
You see what I mean about arguing for the sake of arguing. Quran is not evidence, wow what a plonker! For someone who goes out of his way to argue his case but provides cherry picked connotations, rants on about religion as if it were a writer's mad fantasy.
I hate to say it, but this shows the level of intellect you profoundly claim to possess. For any code of practice, there has to be a primary source of code. For example, a driver's license is not issued unless the tester is assured that the driver has relevant recourse to the source materials of law of the highway. In a court of law, civil or criminal, both have sources in the statute book or case law. It is the interpretation of judges which are supplemental evidence not source law.
But if we read of the GNquesy page, well there would be total chaos and anarchy in the world, because he would argue that it is better to drive on the other side of the road, because he is making his own rules up.
Or we would put on blindfolds and walk off a cliff! Ha ha, this guy is a joker. + -
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
Mikro:
You really don't get it do you; no book can be employed to prove its own accuracy!
Just like "Ali Baba and the forty thieves" can't be employed to prove the adventures of Ali Baba the Koran can't be employed to prove the accuracy of the Koran.
The Koran presents no evidence for its accuracy and the conduct of Muslims provides a lot of evidence that their book is incorrect. Your own arguments and belittling comments is additional evidence that the material you employ as guidance is of very inferior nature!
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Makro74 (48) ranked 7,694 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
GnQues
One other point, the only evidence for you is you, you exist, but hey that's no evidence is it?
Maybe you don't exist, and your lame and fable. + -
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Makro74 (48) ranked 7,694 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
Gn lack of IQuesy
Ha,
I do not need to belittle, sir, you do that all by yourself. Moreover, you contradict yourself. By saying the Quran is non evidence is one thing, its quite another not to believe in it. I do not believe in you, but you do exist and you are a source of looney rants. Note the parellel.
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aminnagpure (126) ranked 1,093 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
from where do you guys find time to read all these, these religion books must be very big, and you guys actually read them and try to make sense from them..
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
13 hours ago
Depends on ur IQ
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11. goharayub (1700) ranked 2,420 out of 8,205 in religion
1 week ago
Gnosisquest Sir,
the Women will be those virgins
and the queen of the virgins will be your wife which you will have in the life,that is what QURAN says,
kindlY read Quran properly
gohar
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
Does reading the Koran properly mean to disengage the mind first my friend?
These answers are absurd and they were given by this war-lord who supposedly got some messages which can't be verified based on a God who you only have the words of a pedophile murderer for.
Where is the evidence? Where is the logic in millions of people all being granted their wishes?
Where is the happiness in instant gratification?
Muhammad said Muslims will enter Paradise with 100 times the sexual urge that he has here: This means there would be only one thing on a persons mind and I would like to ask what happiness there is in the pursuit of the gratification of a physical gratification?
The only way such happiness would work is if everyone left their minds.
Purchasing something which can't be examined is stupid at best but here you are buying a supposed eternity which is based on nothing but the words of this person that there is far more evidence for having been a schizophrenic than a prophet. + -
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gurkha786 (19) ranked 8,196 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
Gnosisquest
u r a real piece of tard and by your posts it seems u r a gay. u r a confused retard who does not even understand what he is saying. if somebody puts you in the middle of a soccer ground and asked you to move one of the corners (any corner) u will just move in circles complaining that nobody told u witch corner to move to. can u give me just one example from the HOLY QURAAN that can prove the QURAAN is wrong as you keep on repeating. dont and i repeat dont give me any bullshits from any other source. + -
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
Koran 2:258; 21:33; 36:40; 52:49; 53:1; 2:29; 37:6-7; 67:3; 71:15; 37:6-7; 67:5; 78:12-13; 15:16-19; 37:6-7; 67:5; 37:79-83; 37:88-90; and a great many more!
It is sad to see the sorry state of the education level of Muslims when they employ nonsense instead of sane reasoning in their arguments.
The proof what I say is correct is made plainly obvious in your response! + -
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gurkha786 (19) ranked 8,196 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
gnosisquest
LOL
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
your proof #1
2:258
HAST THOU NOT TURNED THY VISION TO ONE WHO DISPUTED WITH ABRAHAM ABOUT HIS LORD, BECAUSE ALLAH HAD GRANTED HIM POWER? ABRAHAM SAID "MY LORD IS HE WHO GIVETH LIFE AND DEATH". HE SAID(NIMROD)"I GIVE LIFE AND DEATH"(HE TIED ABRAHAM AND THREW HIM INTO THE FIRE BUT WAS UNSUCCESFUL IN KILLING HIM). SAID ABRAHAM "BUT HE IS THAT COUSETH THE SUN TO RISE FROM THE EAST: DO THOU THEN CAUSE HIM TO RISE FROM THE WEST." THUS WAS HE CONFOUNDED WHO (IN ARROGANCE) REJECTED FAITH. NOR DOTH ALLAH GIVE GUIDANCE TO A PEOPLE UNJUST.
how can that prove the HOLY QURAAN is incorrect infact it proves it is correct.
and read this verse carefully it is a fitting warning to you.
hahahaha
How u chose to prove it wrong and look what you have been reprimanded. + -
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
u r a confused retard who does not even understand what he is saying. if somebody puts you in the middle of a soccer ground and asked you to move one of the corners (any corner) u will just move in circles complaining that nobody told u witch corner to move to + -
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
Evidently it is impossible for you guys to put things together and see the whole picture.
The Koran talks of the earth as if it were stationary, with the sun and stars moving around the earth (Koran 2:258; 21:33; 36:40; 52:49; 53:1).
Koran 18:83-98 tells the story of a pious Muslim, Zulqarnain. One day while traveling along, we find that, "Until, when, he reached the setting of the sun, he found it to set in a spring of murky water" (18:86). So Zulqarnain found the sun sets in a spring of murky water. This is saying that the earth is flat and the sun is very small.
Next he traveled, "Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom we had provided no covering protection against the sun" (18:90). In other words he found the sun rising on a scorched people, because they were nearer to the sun than anyone else! This is a denial of the round earth, where for every morning for everyone on the whole earth, the sun's rays are closer at midday than the morning! + -
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Princecaspian (135) ranked 7,786 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
salaam
The translation mentioned of 18:86 is correct and you have already written the answer The verse is written from Zulqarnains perspective.As you ought to know motion is relative.It is what Zulqarnain saw
The Arabic word use is Wajada which means Zulqarnain saw
18:90 again the Arabic word used is Wajada
the Holy QURAN mentions in the verse 79:30 that the earth is egg shaped the Arabic word used for egg is dahaha this word is derived from duhiya which specifically refers to the egg of an ostrich which is geo spherical in shape like the earth
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
Prince:
700 years after the Greeks calculated the circumference of the earth the Muslims state that the earth is egg shaped. All ancients saw this shape when they stood on top of a hill so to say that the Muslims meant that the earth had the shape of an egg is an explanation which comes after we know the Greeks were correct.
Muslims added nothing to Greek knowledge which they had access to so there is nothing new in the Koran.
It is easy to qualify statements and add things to make it look as if the person knew something but the fact is that beyond knowledge which existed at the time of Muhammad nothing has been added by the Muslims so there is no divine knowledge in the Koran. + -
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Nseries (16) ranked 7,687 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
Please give me the exact reference of the things mentioned by greeks + -
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
The study of Greek science is a vast subject and I am not going to do all the work for you.
Most of the Greek material was destroyed by the Christians who saw science as against God but here is an example of some of what is known due to a refutation by a simpleton who was also of the Abrahamic faith:
. Hippolytus states the Greeks should have been ashamed of their theories because of the earlier refutations done by the Christians, but were not. From these examples you can see how ashamed the Greeks should have been.
Chapter 1: "Thales ... This person said that some such thing as water (hydrogen) is the generative principle of the universe, and its end; for that out of this, solidified and again dissolved, all things consist, and all things are supported on it ..." Thales was born about 624 B.C.E. How could he have understood the importance of hydrogen? Where did he get his information from? This is not a rambling by a philosophical idiot like Hippolytus would like to paint him but basically a correct statement.
Chapter 2: Pythagoras ... This philosopher likewise said that the Soul is immortal, and subsists in successive bodies....
Chapter 3: Empedocles ... This philosopher maintained the transmutation of all Souls into any description of animal ...
Chapter 4: Heraclites ... he also advanced statements almost in concert with Empedocles, saying that the originating principle of all things is discord and friendship, and that the Deity is a fire endued with intelligence, and that all things are borne one upon another, and never are at a standstill ...
Chapter 5: Anaximander ... This man said that the originating principle of existing things is a certain constitution of the infinite, out of which the heavens are generated, and the worlds therein; and that this principle is eternal and undecaying, comprising all the worlds. And he speaks of time as something of limited generation, and subsistence, and destruction. ... But moreover, he asserted that there is an eternal motion, by the agency of which it happens that the heavens are generated; but that the earth is poised aloft, upheld by nothing, continuing on account of its equal distance from all (heavenly bodies) ...
(gravity) ... And that man was, originally, similar to a different animal, that is, a fish (610 B.C.E.)
The above may have been the epitome of stupidity to Hippolytus, but it makes modern man cringe at the knowledge that this material written by Hippolytus was used by later Christians as the excuse when they burned the material of such people as Anaximander wrote.
Chapter 6: Anaximenes affirmed that the originating principle is infinite air, out of which are generated all things existing, those which have existed, and those that will be, as well as Gods and divinities, and that the rest arise from the offspring of this. But that there is such a species of air, when it is most even, which is imperceptible to vision, but capable of being manifested by cold and heat, and moisture and motion, and that it is continually in motion (expanding) for that whatsoever things undergo alteration, do not change if there is no motion. ... That the stars do not emit heat on account of the length of distance; and the winds are produced when the condensed air, becoming rarified, is borne on; and that when collected and thickened still further, clouds are generated, and thus a change made into water ... And that a rainbow is produced by reason of the rays of the sun falling on the collected air. And that an earthquake takes place when the earth is altered into a larger by heat or cold. These indeed, then, were the opinions of Anaximenes. This flourished about the first year of the LVIII Olympiad (556 B.C.E.).
These may have been stupid philosophies to Hippolytus and the rest of the Christians. It was on account of such refutations as these that the later Christians found excuses to destroy all the material by such greats as Aneximenes. It is by now easy for most to see who was really stupid. That stupidity is what has governed man now for nearly 1,460 years and it is far too long.
Chapter 7: Anaxagoras comes after this (thinker?). "This person affirmed the originating principle of the universe to be mind and matter; mind being the efficient cause, whereas matter that which was being formed." For all things coming into existence simultaneously, mind supervening introduced order. ... And that the Nile is inundated in summer, by reason of the waters carried down into it from the snows in Ethiopia. ... And that beneath the stars are sun and moon, and certain invisible bodies that are carried along with us; and that we have no perception of the heat of the stars, both on account of their being so far away, and on account of their distance from the earth; ... And that the moon, being lower than the sun, is nearer us. ... And that the moon has no light of its own, but from the sun. ... And that the moon is eclipsed when the earth is interposed, ... And that the sun is eclipsed when at the beginning of the month, the moon is interposed. This philosopher flourished in the first year of the LXXXVIII Olympiad (428 B.C.E.).
Anaxagoras was another thinker who had something to state. Look at the correct scientific statements made above. This may have been ridiculous statements to the Christians, and such things as these philosophies were what they considered to be the evils of the world. The teachings of Hippolytus are the real evil ones which now govern the world.
Chapter 11: Demokritus (361 B.C.E.) ... conferring with many gymnosophists among the Indians, and priests in Egypt, and with astrologers and magi in Babylon. Now he makes statements similar with Leucippus concerning elements, viz., plenitude and vacuum, denominating plenitude entity, and vacuum nonentity; and this he asserted, since existing things are continually moved in a vacuum. And he maintained worlds to be infinite, and varying in bulk; and that in some there is neither sun nor moon, while in others that they are larger than with us, and with others more numerous. And that intervals between worlds are unequal; and that in one quarter of space (worlds) are more numerous, and in another less so; and that some of them increase in bulk, but that others attain their full size, while others dwindle away; and in one quarter they are coming into existence, whilst in another they are failing; and that they are destroyed by clashing one with another. And that some worlds are destitute of animals and plants, and every species of moisture. ... And that neither the planets nor these fixed stars possess an equal elevation. And that the world flourishes, until no longer it can receive anything from without. This (philosopher) turned all things into ridicule, as if all the concerns of humanity were deserving of laughter.
How can modern Man read such statements by this great fighter of the so-called heretics without it making his blood boil to know the Christians destroyed such teachings and such knowledge?
According to the Church, Hippolytus as all other Saints were divinely inspired. That was why they so correctly refuted all erroneous data.
Chapter 13: One Ecphantus ... affirmed that it is not possible to attain true knowledge. ... And that the earth in the middle of the cosmical system is moved round its own center (axis) towards the east.
We sure were lucky to have people such as Hippolytus and the rest of our Christian forefathers who burned and destroyed the idiotic heresies such as these here mentioned!
The reason these philosophies had to be wrong was because Hippolytus and the Church knew the astronomical information in 1 Enoch was the one given by God. Since it was different, the Greek thinkers had to be wrong and thus heretics.
After Hippolytus is thus finished ridiculing these absurd ideas, he turns his attention to Socrates and Plato because of their treatment of moral philosophy. + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
Caught again helping your greeky friends
How can blood boil?
Evolution is wrong
Karma is wrong
Source is wrong
Wizard of oz is wrong
Frank is wrong
My gr8 friend is wrong
Mathss is always right:-) + -
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Nseries (16) ranked 7,687 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
I asked about the earth being geo-spherical
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goharayub (1700) ranked 2,420 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
Read quran for the sake of your correctness not for taking out problems or errors,
you will see every thing will change if you think positively and read it for the sake of knowledge
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
6 days ago
Likewise you will see everything change and the world along with humanity will have an entirely different perspective once you realize Muhammad only desired a method to get young soldiers to offer their lives for his cause. + -
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Makro74 (48) ranked 7,694 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Gnquesy
Your sequence of responses baffles me. First you respond to someone who calls you a retard, by quoting a list of refrences without actually explaining. Then the respondent picks on your first example, and smashes it to prove his point. Your response is to repeat his line about you being a retard and soccer circles and corners!
Then when you justify one quote with an absurd interpretation, you are again corrected. But instead of acknowledging the respondent, or even acknowledge flaws in your own interpretation, you quickly pick on the 'egg' shaped part of the answer. Then you go back, (how convenient) to Greek science, as proof that Quran has nothing new!
If this is your best, then I am afraid, you are arguing for the sake of arguing. You are blinded by your own denials, and you may have a deeper psychological issue. May God help you.
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
There has not been anyone here that has refuted any of my arguments; are you so blind you do not see that?
The insults coming my way do not affect me for they only say something about the person uttering the attack and not anything about me.
The fact that none of you seem to know anything about ancient history is obvious and while it seems impossible to educate any of you I know that those people who may be tempted to follow Islam due to lack of knowledge will see discussions such as this and know how utterly ridiculous it is to follow some pedophile murderer.
As I keep repeating; you attack instead of refuting and people who do not brainwash themselves five times a day can see the difference! + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Geo-spherical lol lol:-)-
You are a born loser my gr8 friend + -
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PrarieStyle (290) ranked 1,606 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Goharayub, why would anyone want to be a virgin in Muslim "paradise"? What woman in her right mind would want to be raped for eternity? + -
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goharayub (1700) ranked 2,420 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
not for the sake such thing my friend it is only because that you will get every thing as pure as you could get.
and as the topic is that what will a lady get,so as i told you all that lady will be the queens of all the virgins,so the topic is closed and over,
and about you are being insulted in the topics before too my dear friend"the discussion creater", i have once told you too,please accept the truth and dont argue,
because every one here knows what you are trying to do??
it will be better for your earnings but may cause some mantle problem for you too,
thanks and bye bye
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PrarieStyle (290) ranked 1,606 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Oh goody, the "queen", I guess she gets raped the most? And how can they all be "queens"? I'm not married, whose "queen" would I be? Or would I just be a regular virgin?
And hey, how can a wife who isn't a virgin be a virgin? + -
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12. ida_liang08 (4)
7 days ago
i beg your forgiveness,my english is so poor,i can not understand it well.my spelling is also very terrible! the only thing i can do is to try my best~~
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
Know that your apology is accepted
You can write in any other language you wish
Gr8 mathss forgives you + -
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goharayub (1700) ranked 2,420 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
hahaha maths
gohar + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
thanks
Happy new year + -
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13. daffodil1949 (1271) ranked 1,180 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
Muslim women are least bothered about their fate. If you tell them that their position is very bad they will degrade you and tell the world that they enjoy high position in their society.
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
7 days ago
You see the same with all good people; they blame themselves first.
When someone is made to feel guilty from childhood they feel they deserve to be treated as if they are inferior. + -
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alex55 (18) ranked 3,404 out of 8,205 in religion
6 days ago
I knew a woman from Sudan who is a refugee because she doesn't want
to" be just a piece of meat".I wrote an answer on this topic to Gnosis quest from the dialectical materialism point of view.I was censured.
Even Gnosisquest is afraid to look from the calous strict logic &materialist prospect at this issue of women in Islam.I have all admiration to all religions created in Orient except for Islam.
Maybe I am biased by the 700 years of their interference in the socio-economical development of my country of these so called Allah believers.If I were not censured I would explain the opinion of the women I knew best about Muslims and their religion. + -
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
6 days ago
Muslim women are the "least bothered" by their fate because they've been trained since birth not to expect more from life.
But a willing slave is still a slave. + -
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
6 days ago
All Muslims have to be brainwashed in order to follow their leader. Real men knows that the only way to be happy with a woman is to let her be herself; in Islam everyone are subservient to an imaginary God they brainwash themselves with five times a day. + -
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14. sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
6 days ago
Women in Islam have value in only two areas: obedient slaves to their husbands and breeders. A Muslim woman who refuses those roles is suitable only for hell.
I defy anyone to prove me wrong.
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
6 days ago
Oh and I forgot to add that a Muslim woman's reward for being an obedient breeder is getting to be some man's sex slave in heaven. Whoopdie do.
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
6 days ago
The garden beneath which rivers flow and every person is a servant of lust and Allah sounds like a hell to me and you alike.
The real proof Allah does not exist is the conduct of Muslims throughout the world. No God would permit such action in his name! + -
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
6 days ago
If allah existed as Muslims claim he wouldn't be nearly has petty and small minded as they make him out to be.
Muslims, try as they might to claim otherwise, really make their god seem like a tyrant. + -
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gurkha786 (19) ranked 8,196 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
OH YAAH
can u prove anything that u r saying, gues not so i just have to say F/U BEETCH. SAY SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE PROOF TOO. + -
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
LOL there's some more of that Muslim brand of peace and love and tolerance they're always talking about. + -
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
And go ahead; show me that Muslim women are expected to be anything more than obedient little breeders. + -
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Makro74 (48) ranked 7,694 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
My wife and family are Muslim, they are women, and they do not fit your discription. Wow, I've given you about, come to think of it, at least 20 examples to your last comment + -
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
sndcain:
It seems to me that there are two factions of Muslims: The real Muslims following the Koran which we read and hear about every day because of their terrorism and outrageous acts toward women. Then there are the one's we see here that come with outrageous statements which we are supposed to believe without any evidence or support. The people we see here I feel may be just the front for the other group;, these people are supposed to get others involved in the one-way-cult and get countries ready for the others to take over. Rated! !
alex55 (18) ranked 3,404 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
SNDCAIN36:-It is a cowardice to win battles with woman reproductive organbut it's what they try to do.They breed more children than their ennemy and than make war to destroy others countries.Of course,because they are many they will prevail:a simple math conclusion,It is the same thing like fighting disease by breeding more,some individuals will die and some will adapt by nutation in the immune system.The process is known in the termite world when some termite can produce more warrior than other termite subspicies.So this women problem in Islam is incrusted at the biological level of the human being.It's coming from the ape side of the human.It is actually the crux of Islam.They just want to spread and eliminate the others.
I feel it and I see it.Happy New year,talk to you soon. + -
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Princecaspian (135) ranked 7,786 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Well sndcain if I wanted to criticise a religion I would do it by quoting from their scriptures.
Men and women are equal in Islam.Both men and women are required to seek knowledge according to islam.
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Men and women are equal? Is that why there isn't a single Islamic nation that treats women equally?
Is that why the Quran says that men are a degree above women and gives husbands the right to hit their wives if they merely FEAR disloyalty?
You people are full of crap; you lie and you get caught and then you start calling names. + -
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
You know what's so sad, Gnosis? When they are presented with hard evidence of the truth Muslims close their eyes and shut their ears and sing "lalalaalalala!"
Just another example of the emotional and intellectual retardation that is on display so brilliantly in this very discussion. + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
sndcain prince did not call you names
"Just another example of the emotional and intellectual retardation that is on display so brilliantly in this very discussion''.
this describes people who see "calling names '' everywhere
i do not agree with moselems but i do not run criticising them unless i have facts that is clear evidence against them
" A poor player that struts and frets his hour
upon the stage and then is heard no more;
It is a tale told by an idiot,
full of sound and fury,
signifying nothing ".
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Sndcain36:
You are correct and the Muslims have indeed presented us with wonderful examples of their intellectual shortcomings in this discussion.
You are right in your evaluation of mental retardation as it seems that the Muslims are not even aware of how they embarrassed themselves. It is correct that a certain Christian individual is incapable of seeing this also which demonstrates the fact that mental occlusion due to preconception can happen to anyone. Rated! !
Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
i would have killed u if i were a christian but i am an athiest a follower of the true god source LOL Rated! !
goharayub (1700) ranked 2,420 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
First, let’s remember that domestic violence is a universal issue
Islam honors and respects women. In fact, abundant evidence in the Qur’an and Sunnah assert the rights of women in words and deeds, giving them rights that promote and preserve their human dignity in all aspects of life and worship, so it is not logical that such a humane religion would encourage physical or psychological abuse of any sort against Muslims of either gender and of any age, race, or social status, much less against women. Marriage in Islam is a sacred bond. In Islam, the marriage of a man and a woman is not just a financial and physical arrangement of living together, but a sacred contract, a gift from Allah, to lead a happy, enjoyable life and continue the human race. The relationship between the spouses as described in the Qur’an reflects equal rights and responsibilities, and it should be based on tranquility, love, and mercy. It is the duty of both husband and wife to be a source of comfort and tranquility for each other.
Allah says what means:
*{And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your [hearts]: verily in that are Signs for those who reflect.}* (Ar-Rum 30:21)
The Qur’an urges husbands to treat their wives with kindness. In the event of a family dispute, the Qur’an asks the husband to treat his wife kindly and not to overlook her positive aspects. Allah says what means:
*{Live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good.}* (An-Nisaa’ 4:19)
Islam is also against emotional abuse, not just physical abuse. Emotional abuse includes name calling, belittling, using threat of divorce as a weapon to manipulate the other, threatening with a real weapon (even with no intention of using it). Even frequent teasing, though it might start as fun, may become a type of abuse if it takes the form of sarcasm or demeaning remarks.
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) advised us to control our anger, not to call each other names, not to use vulgar language, and not to point a weapon at another person. This advice was general for all, but it should be taken even more seriously within a marriage.
The Qur’an is very clear on this issue. Almighty Allah says what means:
*{Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more strength than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient and guard in the husband’s absence what Allah would have them to guard. As to those women on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance); for Allah is most High and Great (above you all). If you fear a breach between them twain, appoint (two) arbiters, one from his family and the other from hers. If they wish for peace, Allah will cause their reconciliation; for Allah has full knowledge and is acquainted with all things.}* (An-Nisaa’ 4:34-35)
Islam actually prohibits men from hitting women, except in one very limited case when the wife is continuously rebellious and disobedient—not when she disobeys one request—and only as a last resort after all else fails.The earliest commentators understood that the hitting was to be light enough not to leave a mark and should be done with nothing bigger than a miswak (tooth stick). The permissibility of such symbolic expression of the seriousness of continued refraction does not imply its desirability. In several hadiths, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) discouraged this measure. Here are some of his sayings in this regard:
“Do not beat the female servants of Allah.”
“Some [women] visited my family complaining about their husbands [beating them]. These [husbands] are not the best of you.”
I hope this answer has addressed your concerns. Please let us know if you need more information, and please stay in touch. May Allah guide us all to what’s best.
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goharayub (1700) ranked 2,420 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Men and women are equal? Is that why there isn't a single Islamic nation that treats women equally
Sndcain,those man are like that because they are like that,not because Quran tells them,
if you know the truth and dont listen to that,it is your fault not Quran's fault,
even Christians say alcohol is prohibited in the religion,it means there religion is wrong?? no my dear it is only because they them selves are wrong also,it is said that Raps are sins still the rap ratio in the West is 1000 times more then here in east does that mean that your religion teaches you that?? no,it means you are bad people and do not follow what your religion says or tells you,
so i will really suggest you people to stop calling such things to any other religion just because of their people,
also you said muslim call names of their women,and that is wrong. DOES CALLING BAD TO OTHER RELIGION IS OK WITH YOUR RELIGION?? ofcourse no,it means your religion is wrong?? ofcourse no, it only means you people are wrong and bad
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Nseries (16) ranked 7,687 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Salaam
So you have been proved wrong by brother gohar
an excellent response brother Gohar
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
How does that prove me wrong?
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Exactly. He proved nothing. Those men are violent because their religion tells them they are superior to women and the Quran gives them permission to beat their wives. + -
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
If Islam promotes women's rights then explain why women in Islamic countries are the most oppressed and abused in the world. + -
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
In fact, your post proves my point.
Men are the "maintainers of women"
Devout women are "obedient" + -
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
As to those women on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance);
Adding the words in parenthesis is the interpretation of the author and therefore NOT in the original text and therefore there is no instruction on how much force to use in the beating.
And think about it for a minute. Actually READ what it says:
on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct
All you have to do is FEAR disloyalty. She doesn't have to even BE disloyal.
And what about the disloyal husband? What about HIS admonishment and beatings? Where are the INSTRUCTIONS for the woman should her HUSBAND get out of line?
Oh that's right: there are none because the man has all the power and like the generous slave owner he is, he takes care of his slaves and in return his slave is obedient and if she is not he gets to beat her. + -
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
America is SECULAR nation, something that is beyond the abilities for Muslims to grasp. America doesn't FORCE people to live according to the Bible as Muslim nations force people to live according to Sharia, which is based on the QURAN AND THE HADITH.
Muslim nations are a perfect example of what's wrong with Islam. Muslim exemplify the evil that is Islam with the way they run their countries.
If Islam was so great then Muslim nations wouldn't be cesspools of violence, oppression, evil behavior, poverty and illiteracy.
And for your information, alcohol is NOT forbidden according to scripture--drunkeness is. + -
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Princecaspian (135) ranked 7,786 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
The word daraba means hit rather than beat.The hadith tell us that the act should not harm a person should not be on the face and should not leave any marks.There is a difference between a light or harmless tap or strike from abuse.It is a last resort to save marriage.
It does not meet the definitions of physical abuse wife battering or family violence in the 20th century law in liberal democracies.
Btw why does america have the highest rate of rape in the world although it is so secular? + -
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
America doesn't have the highest incidence of rape in the world--that's just bs Muslim propaganda. At least in America if a woman IS raped she doesn't have to worry about being put to death for it.
And your entire argument is absolute crap and doesn't come close to answering my point--the mere FACT that Islam GIVES MEN THE RIGHT TO RAISE THEIR HAND AGAINST A WOMAN shows that it is an evil religion. PERIOD.
The Quran does NOT specify how hard to hit the woman and the Quran is the FINAL authority. The Hadiths don't come directly from the mouth of Allah. + -
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goharayub (1700) ranked 2,420 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
one thing which is being taught to me by parents that if a Dog bites you,you dont has to bite him/her,
if a donkey kicks you you dont has to kick him back,
you keep barking,and kicking your self,
i am out of here,
you people are ignorant and will soon see the truth,
i wish that truth comes as soon as possible to you,because you people really need it,
GREAT DUFFERS... BYE + -
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goharayub (1700) ranked 2,420 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
America doesn't have the highest incidence of rape in the world--that's just bs Muslim propaganda.
At least in America if a woman IS raped she doesn't have to worry about being put to death for it
you are talking two different things on one hand you accept that you have rap problem and on other hand you say that rap is not at the peak??
if one sin is allowed with out any worry how can that happen that you stops your self not to do that??
kindly think what you say??
you are talking about two different things about same point..
oh atleast you accepted that you people do rap girls
shame on you guys,
hahahahah At least in America if a woman IS raped she doesn't have to worry about being put to death for it not worried hahahahha.. they are worried inside when they has to give birth to babies who have no father,
who asks?? no one.. kindly DNA your self and your dad,are you the son of your own father??
sorry but that is what your point said
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
What the hell are you talking about? America DOES NOT have the highest incidence of rape in the world but IF a woman is RAPED she doesn't have to fear being put to death for it.
Do you have problems with reading comprehension? I never said women don't get raped in America I said we do not have the HIGHEST incidence of rape.
Rape is rarely reported in Muslim countries because the victim will most likely be blamed for her rape so it is very likely the numbers in Muslim countries are severely under reported. At least in America victims can come forward and seek justice. The same cannot be said for Muslim women. + -
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
My God every time a Muslim speaks he simply proves my assertion about the moral and intellectual retardation that Islam causes. Your post is an excellent example of it. + -
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rameshkumaar57 (247) ranked 505 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Maths
You do not critizise Moslems, but you criticize Hindus, your only aim is to degrade hindus and find fault with them. + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
dear MR Ramesh
i had an experience (wont describe it a bit toooo personal ) or i experienced the truth criticising others will not get us to a point or goal i posted a long response to this plz check that
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
sndcain36 (905)
"Women in Islam have value in only two areas: obedient slaves to their husbands and breeders. A Muslim woman who refuses those roles is suitable only for hell. I defy anyone to prove me wrong."
gohar proved u wrong
LOL
I said we do not have the HIGHEST incidence of rape.
AMERICAN RAPE STATISTICS
Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.
In 1995, 354,670 women were the victims of a rape or sexual assault. (NationalCrime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.)
Over the last two years, more than 787,000 women were the victim of a rape or sexual assault. (National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S.Department of Justice, 1996.)
The FBI estimates that 72 of every 100,000 females in the United States wereraped last year. (Federal Bureau of Investigation, Uniform Crime Statistics, 1996.)
http://www.paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm
Rape is a serious problem in the United States today. The United States has the highest rape rate among countries It is 4 times higher than that of Germany, 13 times higher than that of England and 20 times higher than that of Japan.
http://www.sa.rochester.edu/masa/stats.php
got it
learn it
thats a fact
" A poor player that struts and frets his hour
upon the stage and then is heard no more;
It is a tale told by an idiot,
full of sound and fury,
signifying nothing ".
(Macbeth Act V, Scene 5) Rated! !
Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
the mere FACT that Islam GIVES MEN THE RIGHT TO RAISE THEIR HAND AGAINST A WOMAN shows that it is an evil religion. PERIOD.
this proves ur ignorance u did not read gohars response right?
“The greatest ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about” Rated! !
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (592) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Mathss,
That was an excellent point, I'm glad you saw what I saw...
Good catch...:)
Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
lol
thanks
Mathss
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goharayub (1700) ranked 2,420 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Hello Maths brother,
yes that is what i was going to tell him next too that in America the ratio of raps is 2 mins,does that mean that it is less for them?? lolz
amazing,it means they need rap cases every 2 sec??
well i dont know what is he trying to prove right?
once he is caught he talks nothing but just those things which he dont know,and now he is getting caught every now and then,
and i think he will never have any problem if her daughter is being raped again and again because they are advanced and they have the license of being raped??
that is rubbish sndcain,
please accept that you has been lost in the debate,you white washed you,
anyway bye
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
yes its hard to accept the truth
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Utter rubbish gohar in the US there occur sexual assault every 2 minutes! Sexual assault is defined as: “Conduct of a sexual or indecent nature toward another person that is accompanied by actual or threatened physical force or that induces fear, shame, or mental suffering”. This also includes within a marriage and means that in a year per population 1 out of 3500 are involved in sexual assault.
In Islam these things are not reported; how many girls would be considered raped on their wedding night by Muslims if you applied the American definition? Muslims who beat their wives is a form of sexual assault; what would the Muslim statistics be like?
The statistics in America are atrocious but practically all Americans are all saints when compared to the Islamic Jinn’s! + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
gnosis he wrote
ratio of raps is 2 mins,does that mean that it is less for them?? lolz
amazing,it means they need rap cases every 2 sec??
i can see a question mark after two seconds that is a question can u see tha
yeah i am a saint i agree with u
but a rapist cant be a saint
a burglar cant be a saint
ur ideology seems corrupted
now read this its from the link i provided
SILENT VICTIMS:
One of the most startling aspects of sex crimes is how many go unreported. The most common reasons given by women for not reporting these crimes are the belief that it is a private or personal matter and the fear of reprisal from the assailant.
Approximately 28% of victims are raped by husbands or boyfriends, 35% by acquaintances, and 5% by other relatives. (Violence against Women, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1994)
The FBI estimates that only 37% of all rapes are reported to the police. U.S. Justice Department statistics are even lower, with only 26% of all rapes or attempted rapes being reported to law enforcement officials.
In 1994-1995, only 251,560 rapes and sexual assaults were reported to law enforcement officials -- less than one in every three. (National Crime Victimization Survey, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.)
An overwhelming majority of rape service agencies believe that public education about rape, and expanded counseling and advocacy services for rape victims, would be effective in increasing the willingness of victims to report rapes to the police. (Rape in America, 1992, National Victim Center with Crime Victims Research and Treatment Center.)
LIVING IN FEAR:
According to the U.S. Department of Justice: (All statistics are taken from: Violenceagainst Women, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1994.)
One of every four rapes take place in a public area or in a parking garage.
31% of female victims reported that the offender was a stranger.
68% of rapes occur between the hours of 6 p.m. and 6 a.m.
At least 45% of rapists were under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
In 29% of rapes, the offender used a weapon.
In 47% of rapes, the victim sustained injuries other than rape injuries.
75% of female rape victims require medical care after the attack.
now read gohars response above
open ur mind
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goharayub (1700) ranked 2,420 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Nice calculation maths!
you have just slapped the calculation on their face,
please read properly,like you read Quran,
hahahah again
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
lol
thanks
Mathss
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
I read gohar's response you apparently did not read mine. + -
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
The utter ignorance of the assumption that Islam prevents rape makes your argument childish and of the highest level of logical fallacy. And using American sexual assualt statistics doesn't prove anything--the fact that there are any statistics to report shows that women CAN and DO seek justice which is what I have been saying all along.
The fact is that women in Islam are oppressed and abused more than any other group of women in the world. They are denied their BASIC RIGHTS and they are brainwashed from birth that their place is at the feet of some man, serving him and bearing his brats.
A staggering 90% of Muslim women are subjected to physical and sexual assault at some point in their lives--and almost none of it will ever be reported because you morons think if you don't knowledge it that means it didn't happen.
http://www.youtube.com/wa... Women must submit to sex whether she wants to or not. This video advocates RAPE and uses the Quran and Hadith to do it!
http://www.youtube.com/wa... Muslim cleric explaining why women shouldn't drive
http://www.youtube.com/wa... A Saudi Woman being abused on camera
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
http://www.youtube.com/wa... Muslim women are isolated because their culture condones wife beating
http://www.youtube.com/wa... Here a man explains why beating your wife is a form of therapy.
http://www.youtube.com/wa... Here's another one that helpfully explains why it's acceptable for a man to hit his wife.
http://www.youtube.com/wa... A 16 year old girl in Iran executed by religious police.
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
http://www.youtube.com/wa... Here's a video of a Muslim woman being sexually assaulted by a Muslim man + -
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
http://www.youtube.com/wa... And I don't know what this is but it's disturbing + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
We do not watch such videos they are considered immoral now you should know that
Those are videos of youtube they are not official statistics which i quoted
Now do you agree usa has the highest number of ....(your watching such videos and advicing innocent kids to watch it proves the tendency of people to promote immorality)
Njoy
Get the truth
Open your mind
Be peacefull .......
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
You think your "statistics" are so much more reliable than actual videos showing the truth about Islam?
LOL you obviously didn't watch the videos because most of them were Muslims speaking and yet you call them "immoral"...LOL
Yet again you show your weak intellect and inability to reason as an adult. You are a good example of why no one should EVER consider becoming a Muslim. + -
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Oh and those statistics you quoted? Triple them and you have an idea of what it's like for Muslim women in Muslim countries. + -
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
http://www.terrorismaware... Here's another video showing how well women are treated in Islam. + -
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
The reality of women in Saudi Arabia
http://www.worldpress.org/Europe/1730.cfm
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
The reality of women in Afghanistan
http://www.rawa.org/temp/...
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Reality of life for Pakistani women
http://www.marxist.com/As...
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
The reality of women in Egypt
http://www.omct.org/pdf/VAW/EgyptEng2001.pdf
Rapes are allegedly difficult to pursue legally. According to information
received, judges take into account the way the woman was dressed when
she was raped. In addition to the fact that the burden of proof rests with
the victim - with all its consequent legal, social and cultural implications
- the law in such cases only covers situations involving a man and a woman
with the proviso of vaginal penetration by the penis. Other forced sexual
acts (such as anal intercourse or penetrating a woman with other parts of
the body or with objects) are therefore excluded from the definition of rape,
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cyntrow (2654) ranked 16 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
With all of these sickening links, I'm still sickened by the fact that someone said that it was ok to "hit" not "beat" a woman. No woman should be any man's property and they should NEVER be hit for any reason. If a religion or culture believes that it is permissive or even understandable, it is a barbaric religion and culture. + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Utter rubbish you think your "VIDEOS"(uploaded by some unknown character) are so much more reliable than actual statistics showing the truth about women?
again you show your weak intellect and inability to reason as a human. You are a good example of why no one should EVER consider becoming ignorant.
Women Rights in Islam
Islam’s radical revolutionary support, gave women their due right and status in the days of ignoranceE1,400 years ago.
Islam’s objective was and continues to be, to modernise our thinking, our living, our seeing, our hearing, our feeling and striving for the women’s upliftment and emancipation in the society.
Before I dwell further with the topic, I would like you to make note of a few points.
Approximately one fifth of the world’s population, consists of Muslims. There are different Muslim societies - Some may be close to Islam, some may be far away from Islam.
The ‘Women’s rights in Islam should judged according to the authentic sources, and not what individual Muslims do, or what the Muslim society does.
The authentic sources of Islam, are the Qur’an, which is the word of God, and the authentic Sunnah, and the traditions of our beloved Prophet (peace be upon him).
Qur’an will never contradict itself, nor will the authentic Hadith contradict itselfE neither will these two authentic sources, contradict each other.
Sometimes the scholars differ, and many a times, these differences can be removed by analyzing the Qur’an as a whole, and not just by quoting one particular Verse. Because if one particular verse of the Qur’an is ambiguous many a times the answer is given somewhere else in the Qur’an - Some people quote one source and neglect all the other sources.
It is the duty of every Muslim, male or female, to seek the pleasure of God, and to act as His trustee on this world, and not to try and gain fame or satisfy one’s own ego.
Islam believes in equality of men and women E‘EqualityEdoes not mean ‘identicalityE
In Islam, the role of a man and woman is complimentary, it is not conflicting. It is that of a partnership, it is not contradictory, so as to strive for supremacy.
Women Rights in the West
If we agree with the ‘Women’s rights in IslamE as portrayed by the Western media, you have no option, but to agree that the ‘Women’s rights in IslamEare outdated.
The Western talk of women’s liberation, is actually a disguised form of exploitation of her body, deprivation of her honour and degradation of her soul.
The Western society which speaks of upgrading the status of women in Islam, have actually reduced her status to concubines, to mistresses, to society butterflies, which are mere tools in the hands of sex marketers and pleasure seekers, which are disguised behind the colorful screen of art and culture.
Dr Naik
To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant
AMOS BRONSON ALCOTT
“Telling the truth to people who misunderstand you is generally promoting a falsehood, isn't it?
your videos well i checked one of them it required signing in a true Christian does not watch such videos
i do not know how you manage watching them and you post the link of you tube videos as a response for official statistics there is something missing here
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (592) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Well?
When were those statistics collected again? 1994 and 1995?
Are those statistics still valid?
Don't we have any good Americans other than myself to point to the fact that these are old statistics and not up to date...
What is the purpose of a statistic anyway?
Most statistics are slanted, they are collected with a bias to prove a particular point. It is never good to rely on statistics but to rely on the facts of each case and it should be encouraged to collect information on all abuses, but some people are discouraged from reporting an abuse.
The questions that come to mind are why are abuses discouraged?
What do these reports reveal?
Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
i agree with you the cases may have increased under bush
(New York, December 18, 2008) - A new government report showing huge increases in the incidences of domestic violence, rape, and sexual assault over a two-year period in the United States deserves immediate attention from lawmakers and the incoming administration, Human Rights Watch said today. The statistics show a 42-percent increase in reported domestic violence and a 25-percent increase in the reported incidence of rape and sexual assault.
New Delhi: India stands third, leaving behind countries like Sri Lanka, Jordan and Argentina, when it comes to rape cases, latest data of the Union Home Ministry suggest. Ahead of India are only the United States and South Africa.
According to the data, 18,359 rape cases were registered in India in the first three quarters of this year while in the US, 93,934 and in South Africa 54,926 rape cases were registered respectively.
The lowest number of rape-cases was registered in Jordan (78), Latvia (260), Bulgaria (403) and Finland (596).
Some of the other countries where a large number of rape cases were reported include Germany (8,133), Thailand (5,060), Sweden (3,787) and Argentina (3,447).
Altogether 44,159 cases of different sex offences were registered across India in the said period. In such cases too, India stands third after England and Germany where 62,100 and 47,070 cases were registered respectively.
Four other countries where the number of sex offences was high include Canada (26,044), Australia (17,516), Sweden (7,924) and Argentina (3,473).
http://www.indianexpress....
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Utter rubbish you think your "VIDEOS"(uploaded by some unknown character) are so much more reliable than actual statistics showing the truth about women?
Obviously you haven't watched the videos or read the articles. If you had you'd realize how ridiculous you sound.
I know you are but what am I? Typical school yard nonsense from someone who is unable to answer what is before him.
again you show your weak intellect and inability to reason as a human. You are a good example of why no one should EVER consider becoming ignorant.
Listen, I'm not the one who has had my moral and intellectual growth stunted by a regressive religion and unlike you I can actually look at religion with a critical eye. You are so blinded by your childish belief that Islam is perfect that you are incapable of rational discourse on the matter. You merely repeat the same false arguments over and over despite being confronted with the truth.
Women Rights in Islam
Islam’s radical revolutionary support, gave women their due right and status in the days of ignoranceE1,400 years ago.
So, think that because Islam gave women meager rights 1500 years ago that it shows how progressive it is despite the fact that Muslim women to this day are the most oppressed group of people in the world.
Islam’s objective was and continues to be, to modernise our thinking, our living, our seeing, our hearing, our feeling and striving for the women’s upliftment and emancipation in the society.
Islam has shown time and time again its inability to support rational thought or progressive thinking because whatever disagrees with its teaching is tossed aside as heresy. The Christian church once taught that the world was flat but even the church eventually acknowledged truth. Islam does not. Muslim countries are home to tremendous ignorance, illiteracy and poverty because religious customs make sure to keep people oppressed and ignorant particularly in regards to women.
Before I dwell further with the topic, I would like you to make note of a few points.
Approximately one fifth of the world’s population, consists of Muslims. There are different Muslim societies - Some may be close to Islam, some may be far away from Islam.
Interestingly enough, it is the cultures who claim to be closest to Islam--Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc...where the greatest oppression of women occurs and where women have the least amount of rights
The ‘Women’s rights in Islam should judged according to the authentic sources, and not what individual Muslims do, or what the Muslim society does.
Islamic culture is virtually indistinguishable from the culture in which is was born and as a result the blame for the current predicament can be laid as equally in Islamic teaching as its practitioners.
The authentic sources of Islam, are the Qur’an, which is the word of God, and the authentic Sunnah, and the traditions of our beloved Prophet (peace be upon him).
Yes, the Quran is an "authentic source" and the Quran explicitly gives men power over women and gives men permission to beat their wives if they merely "fear" disloyalty. Women are taught to be obedient and aren't even allowed to refuse their husband sex, which means a man has the right to rape his wife.
Qur’an will never contradict itself, nor will the authentic Hadith contradict itselfE neither will these two authentic sources, contradict each other.
The quran offers several well documented contradictions and abrogations. In fact it is so badly written it cannot be taken alone. http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/
Sometimes the scholars differ, and many a times, these differences can be removed by analyzing the Qur’an as a whole, and not just by quoting one particular Verse. Because if one particular verse of the Qur’an is ambiguous many a times the answer is given somewhere else in the Qur’an - Some people quote one source and neglect all the other sources.
It is the duty of every Muslim, male or female, to seek the pleasure of God, and to act as His trustee on this world, and not to try and gain fame or satisfy one’s own ego.
Islam believes in equality of men and women E‘EqualityEdoes not mean ‘identicalityE
Only a moron assumes that when speaking of equality of the sexes that one is speaking of treating men and women identically. But Islam places idiotic and unnecessary restrictions on women that have no use in a modern world and that naturally leads to oppression and inequality. This country attempted "separate but equal" among blacks and whites and what they proved is that separate is ALWAYS unequal. Islam has yet to come to that conclusion
In Islam, the role of a man and woman is complimentary, it is not conflicting. It is that of a partnership, it is not contradictory, so as to strive for supremacy.
That is untrue. If it were true the Quran would not command women to be "obedient" to their husbands and would not force women to submit to sex and would not give men the right to rape their female slaves. The Quran would not say that Allah has placed men in a position of authority over women or give men the right to hit women for being "disloyal". A woman's testimony wouldn't be worth half a mans and a woman would inherit equally. In this modern age there isn't a single reason why the social norms of the middle ages should continue to prevail. If the quran really were divinely inspired allah would have known that instead of trapping a billion people in the past.
Women Rights in the West
If we agree with the ‘Women’s rights in IslamE as portrayed by the Western media, you have no option, but to agree that the ‘Women’s rights in IslamEare outdated.
The Western talk of women’s liberation, is actually a disguised form of exploitation of her body, deprivation of her honour and degradation of her soul.
The Western society which speaks of upgrading the status of women in Islam, have actually reduced her status to concubines, to mistresses, to society butterflies, which are mere tools in the hands of sex marketers and pleasure seekers, which are disguised behind the colorful screen of art and culture.
Dr Naik
That's utter nonsense and typical Muslim justification for the oppression of women in your own culture. Western women enjoy a high degree of equality and there are laws in place to protect those rights. Women hold places of power and occupy positions of honor and authority. The same cannot be said of Muslim women because they are chained to their homes raising children, which is not a bad thing in and of itself but when it is coerced or forced it amounts to little more than slavery.
Equality means exactly what it means; each man and woman is free to make their own choices free of coercion and they are free to live with the consequences of those actions. That means both good and bad will come of it but the bad is not justification for subjugating an entire class of people. Women are not the property of men nor were they created to serve you despite what your religion and culture tells you.
To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant
AMOS BRONSON ALCOTT
That's certainly true. And if you'd take off those blinders you might be set free.
“Telling the truth to people who misunderstand you is generally promoting a falsehood, isn't it?
your videos well i checked one of them it required signing in a true Christian does not watch such videos
i do not know how you manage watching them and you post the link of you tube videos as a response for official statistics there is something missing here
Your last response is completely immaterial.
“It's not hard to find the truth. What is hard is not to run away from it once you have found it.”
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Spouting off statistics mean nothing--they're just numbers. Men who rape women do so out of their desire to have power over them; and the answer isn't to BLAME the women and use it as an excuse to oppress them. MEN who rape women are the ones to need to be punished; the Islam RARELY punishes perpetrator; it punished the women by hiding them under the abaya and the burka and places draconian and egregious restrictions on them.
You use the crimes of MEN as a justification for WHY it's okay to oppress women.
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
One more thing: I posted videos of Muslim clerics explaining why wife beating is acceptable according to the Quran and why women shouldn't be allowed to drive.
Now, why is YOUR interpretation any more valid then THEIR interpretation?
You people do this all the time: I will post some Muslim nonsense logic that makes your religion look idiotic and then you come with with "That's not how it is. It's like THIS" but unless you were there when it was written you certainly are in no position to know the the original intent and you are forced to rely on your interpretation just as the cleric who explains why beating your wife is therapeutic. One must assume that Clerics spend an awful lot of time studying the Quran and Hadith and are probably closer to the original intent than you are.
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Obviously you haven't watched the videos or read the articles. If you had you'd realize how ridiculous you sound.
I know you are but what am I? Typical school yard nonsense from someone who is unable to answer what is before him.
rubbish do i need to respond
i do not watch immoral videos
wish u abstain from them
Listen, I'm not the one who has had my moral and intellectual growth stunted by a regressive religion and unlike you I can actually look at religion with a critical eye. You are so blinded by your childish belief that Islam is perfect that you are incapable of rational discourse on the matter. You merely repeat the same false arguments over and over despite being confronted with the truth.
same here
So, think that because Islam gave women meager rights 1500 years ago that it shows how progressive it is despite the fact that Muslim women to this day are the most oppressed group of people in the world.
already answered
Islam has shown time and time again its inability to support rational thought or progressive thinking because whatever disagrees with its teaching is tossed aside as heresy. The Christian church once taught that the world was flat but even the church eventually acknowledged truth. Islam does not. Muslim countries are home to tremendous ignorance, illiteracy and poverty because religious customs make sure to keep people oppressed and ignorant particularly in regards to women.
islam is not against established scientific facts it is not illogical
i do not agree with your interpretation of the bible the bible is the truth it is not against science we can discuss it later
Interestingly enough, it is the cultures who claim to be closest to Islam--Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc...where the greatest oppression of women occurs and where women have the least amount of rights
intrestingly enough those who claim they are modern overlook the fact that their country has the highest number of rapes in the world
Yes, the Quran is an "authentic source" and the Quran explicitly gives men power over women and gives men permission to beat their wives if they merely "fear" disloyalty. Women are taught to be obedient and aren't even allowed to refuse their husband sex, which means a man has the right to rape his wife.
fear disloyalty what do modern us citizens do after disloyalty has been proved
already answered by gohar please read it again
It does not meet the definitions of physical abuse wife battering or family violence in the 20th century law in liberal democracies.
Islamic culture is virtually indistinguishable from the culture in which is was born and as a result the blame for the current predicament can be laid as equally in Islamic teaching as its practitioners.
not all
already explained
do all modern us citizens do that
The quran offers several well documented contradictions and abrogations. In fact it is so badly written it cannot be taken alone. http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/
out of the topic
http://www.irf.net/irf/main.htm
Only a moron assumes that when speaking of equality of the sexes that one is speaking of treating men and women identically. But Islam places idiotic and unnecessary restrictions on women that have no use in a modern world and that naturally leads to oppression and inequality. This country attempted "separate but equal" among blacks and whites and what they proved is that separate is ALWAYS unequal. Islam has yet to come to that conclusion
lol
already replied
they do not lead to oppression and inequality but lift th status of women
That is untrue. If it were true the Quran would not command women to be "obedient" to their husbands and would not force women to submit to sex and would not give men the right to rape their female slaves. The Quran would not say that Allah has placed men in a position of authority over women or give men the right to hit women for being "disloyal". A woman's testimony wouldn't be worth half a mans and a woman would inherit equally. In this modern age there isn't a single reason why the social norms of the middle ages should continue to prevail. If the quran really were divinely inspired allah would have known that instead of trapping a billion people in the past.
out of context already replied check the response again
That's utter nonsense and typical Muslim justification for the oppression of women in your own culture. Western women enjoy a high degree of equality and there are laws in place to protect those rights. Women hold places of power and occupy positions of honor and authority. The same cannot be said of Muslim women because they are chained to their homes raising children, which is not a bad thing in and of itself but when it is coerced or forced it amounts to little more than slavery.
Equality means exactly what it means; each man and woman is free to make their own choices free of coercion and they are free to live with the consequences of those actions. That means both good and bad will come of it but the bad is not justification for subjugating an entire class of people. Women are not the property of men nor were they created to serve you despite what your religion and culture tells you.
i do not agree with ur immoral approach
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4183166.stm
That's certainly true. And if you'd take off those blinders you might be set free.
yes please do it i didnt stop you
Your last response is completely immaterial.
“It's not hard to find the truth. What is hard is not to run away from it once you have found it.”
Well you are certainly doing an excellent job of running away
i agree with you you are running away
A poor player that struts and frets his hour
upon the stage and then is heard no more;
It is a tale told by an idiot,
full of sound and fury,
signifying nothing.
(Macbeth Act V, Scene 5)
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
And I will be the first to say that modern society, for all its advances in the treatment of women, still has a ways to go. But the answer is to keep moving FORWARD, not regress back to the middle ages.
Islam is regressive and in order to find examples of this so called "equality" one has to make comparisons to the treatment of women in the Dark Ages. And even then Islam is miles away from anything resembling equality. + -
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
rubbish do i need to respond
i do not watch immoral videos
wish u abstain from them
you honestly expect me to accord you one ounce of respect or bother reading a word you type when you refuse to watch the videos or read the articles because to do so would be "immoral"?
You won't watch the videos because you know if you do you won't have an answer. So far all you can do is regurgitate nonsense that I've heard before. You do not impress me one bit.
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Women in USA are Not Safe
In USA women were allowed to join the battle since 1901 but they were not allowed to take active part - They only played the part of a nurse.
Later on after the ‘Feminist MovementEhad started in 1973, the ‘Feminist movement demanded E‘Why aren’t women allowed to take active part in the battle field?
So the American government allowed women to take active part in the battle field.
And according to a report of the Defense Department of America, which was released on the 23rd of April, 1993 it said that, E0 people were sexually assaulted in a convention, out of which 83 were women and 117 officers were charged with in disciplinary actionE Imagine in one convention only, 83 women sexually assaulted.
What was the crime of those 117 officers?
They made the women run and they snatched at their clothes. They made them parade absolutely nude without even covering the genital parts. They were made to have sex in public.
Is this what you call ‘Women’s rights
If you think that this is what is ‘Women’s right then you can keep your rights to yourselves. We do not want our sisters, our daughters our mothers to be sexually assaulted.
And there was a uproar in the parliament and the President, Bill Clinton - he himself had to apologize publicly and he said, ‘Necessary action will be takenE
And you know when politicians say ‘necessary action will be taken, what happens.
So Islam allows women to take part in the battle field only when required.
But there also they should maintain their Islamic dress and the Islamic ethics, and their modesty.
USA Has One of the Highest Rates of Rape
United States of America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries of the world. It also has one of the highest rates of rape in any country in the world. According to a FBI report, in the year 1990, every day on an average 1756 cases of rape were committed in U.S.A alone. Later another report said that on an average everyday 1900 cases of rapes are committed in USA. The year was not mentioned. May be it was 1992 or 1993. May be the Americans got ‘bolderEin the following years.Let us analyze the Economical rights - Islam gave economical rights to the women 1,300 years before the West.
An adult Muslim woman can own, she can dispose or disown any of her property without consulting any one, irrespective whether she is married or she is single.
In 1870, it was the first time in England, that the West recognized the rights of the married woman, where she was allowed to own or dispose any of her property without consultation.
Islamic Law Let's Women Breathe Easily
Consider a scenario where the Islamic law is implemented in America. Whenever a man looks at a woman and any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he lowers his gaze. Every woman wears the Islamic dress as mentioned in Quran. After this if any man commits rape he is given capital punishment. I ask you, in such a scenario, will the rate of rape in America increase, will it remain the same, or will it decrease?
If Islamic law is implemented in any part of the world, women will breathe easier.
If we agree with the ‘Women’s rights in IslamE as portrayed by the Western media, you have no option, but to agree that the ‘Women’s rights in IslamEare outdated.
The Western talk of women’s liberation, is actually a disguised form of exploitation of her body, deprivation of her honour and degradation of her soul.
The Western society which speaks of upgrading the status of women in Islam, have actually reduced her status to concubines, to mistresses, to society butterflies, which are mere tools in the hands of sex marketers and pleasure seekers, which are disguised behind the colorful screen of art and culture.
The Qur’an says that Hijaab has been prescribed for the women so that they are recognized as modest women and this will also prevent them from being molested.
. Example of twin sisters
Suppose two sisters who are twins, and who are equally beautiful, walk down the street. One of them is attired in the Islamic hijaab i.e. the complete body is covered, except for the face and the hands up to the wrists. The other sister is wearing western clothes, a mini skirt or shorts. Just around the corner there is a hooligan or ruffian who is waiting for a catch, to tease a girl. Whom will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijaab or the girl wearing the skirt or the mini? Naturally he will tease the girl wearing the skirt or the mini. Such dresses are an indirect invitation to the opposite sex for teasing and molestation. The Qur’an rightly says that hijaab prevents women from being molested.
Western society falsely claims to have uplifted women
Western talk of women’s liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul, and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketers, hidden behind the colorful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’.
so implement hijab in the us you will see the result
dont be modern
become ultraaaaaaaa modern
please do not give links to immoral videos
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goharayub (1700) ranked 2,420 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
keep on fighting,
you duffers are going to fight on the name of religion,how will this world become a better place?
Maths brother,leave them
they are not going to listen any ways,
Islam also says that if you teach some one three times leave them,it is ALLAH dont want to put any thing in their heart,because he knows they are miss users and will never use any thing for the betterment,my duty is over,
Sndcain and the discussion owner are just people who spread bad things and try to make people fight,i must say such people must be said THE TERRORISTS,
America come fire them lolz
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
yeah they spread terror give links of immoral videos which require signing in to youtube
but i do not like to leave a winning battle
but if u insist ...
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
thanks mathss u r brilliant
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
keep it up mathss u r doing gr8
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
thanks i have millions of fans i really badmire all of u
thanks
i am mathss
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Princecaspian (135) ranked 7,786 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Good job I am one of those millions who admire you.
Vote for Mathss
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Gohar:
Thank you for reminding me of another Islamic absurdity:
Allah supposedly created everyone, yet Allah prevent some people from seeing what the truth is. Do you not realize then that the only person to blame would be your Allah?
While we are at it perhaps you could let me know why Allah waited until humans had lived here for more than a million years before he revealed the Koran.
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
MR quest (brother in faith)
ur question is out of the topic
but gr8 mathss helps every one
so heres ur answer
www.google.com
check this link
there is a big box write ur query in it then click search
you will get the answer
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Nseries (16) ranked 7,687 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
good mathss
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Matthss...you think that by engaging in deflection that you are "winning" the argument but an intelligent person can easily see that you have lost this round. No matter what statistic you spout off, it is still abundantly clear that Western women are far superior to Muslim women when it comes to rights and freedoms. You think that by enslaving women you are saving them; you might be interested to know that slave owners in the 19th century thought exactly the same way about their slaves. They believed that blacks were HAPPIER being slaves--that giving them their freedom was actually HARMFUL to them. In fact, most oppressors justify their actions by arguing the oppression is in the best interest of the oppressed.
And that, you mental midget, is what you've done here. And you look like a fool doing it.
No reasonable moral person would ever agree that slavery is preferable to freedom no matter what the cost. And every time you try to argue that it is, you merely show the rest of us why Islam is an inferior religion.
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Oh and that so called "increase" in rape you keep mentioning? It's not an increase; it is the result of better reporting. More women are coming forward as they feel empowered to prosecute their attacker.
Women have it better in the US today than at any other period in history.
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
do i need to reply
you think that by engaging in deflection that you are "winning" the argument but an intelligent person can easily see that you have lost this round. No matter what statistic you spout off, it is still abundantly clear that Western women are far superior to Muslim women when it comes to rights and freedoms.
already answered but if you insist
they are official statistics i gave the source
already explained about western women read the answer again
You think that by enslaving women you are saving them; you might be interested to know that slave owners in the 19th century thought exactly the same way about their slaves. They believed that blacks were HAPPIER being slaves--that giving them their freedom was actually HARMFUL to them. In fact, most oppressors justify their actions by arguing the oppression is in the best interest of the oppressed.
no proof LOL
And that, you mental midget, is what you've done here. And you look like a fool doing it.
LOL
thanks for giving an intro but you should have described yourself in the starting or in your profile
No reasonable moral person would ever agree that slavery is preferable to freedom no matter what the cost.
at last you are right
And every time you try to argue that it is, you merely show the rest of us why Islam is an inferior religion.
So go ahead, keep talking.
proves ur condition
Oh and that so called "increase" in rape you keep mentioning? It's not an increase; it is the result of better reporting. More women are coming forward as they feel empowered to prosecute their attacker.
Women have it better in the US today than at any other period in history.
you can live in your world of dreams
LOL
i have millions of fans here LOL
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Yeah, you have two other small minded dingdongs who think like you do. Wow, you're sooo popular.
give it up. You can't win because every word you utter merely proves me right.
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
if hijab is implemented in so called 'modern'countries will the rate decrease or increase?
Suppose two sisters who are twins, and who are equally beautiful, walk down the street. One of them is attired in the Islamic hijaab i.e. the complete body is covered, except for the face and the hands up to the wrists. The other sister is wearing western clothes, a mini skirt or shorts. Just around the corner there is a hooligan or ruffian who is waiting for a catch, to tease a girl. Whom will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijaab or the girl wearing the skirt or the mini? Naturally he will tease the girl wearing the skirt or the mini. Such dresses are an indirect invitation to the opposite sex for teasing and molestation. The Qur’an rightly says that hijaab prevents women from being molested.
wait PRESIDENT MATHSS will implement hijab in the US
i have millions of fans (i think u saw them here )
dont forget to vote for me
dont be modern
become ultra modern
Says Mathss future president
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Wow, you're sooo popular.
Thankss i agree
You weren't even man enough to watch a couple of videos and you think you can hold your own in an argument.
yes i have morals i am a good citizen (future presidents are always good )
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Wow, your math is as fked up as your logic.
Since when does two equal a million? I guess in the same mind that thinks treating women like slaves and reducing them to their sexual organs.
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
You people are full of crap; you lie and you get caught and then you start calling names. You know what's so sad, snd? When they are presented with hard evidence of the truth so called modern people close their eyes and shut their ears and sing "lalalaalalala!"
Just another example of the emotional and intellectual retardation that is on display so brilliantly in this very discussion.
your vocabulary is disgusting
But President Mathss FORGIVES you (true Christian u know)
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
http://wluml.org/english/ Women living under Islam
I don't need nor do I want your forgiveness. One day every single Muslim who ever thought enslaving their fellow humanity under the banner a a sick and twisted religion will be the ones begging forgiveness. + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
LOL
that is a joke right
my fans demand an answer
(president please reply )
One day every single "HUMAN" who ever thought enslaving their fellow humanity under the banner a a sick and twisted modernity will be the ones begging forgiveness.
agreed
here is a video showing the status of women
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1irxNIDrxwo
(authentic video from u tube)
25:63:
The worshippers of the All-Merciful are they who tread gently upon the earth, and when the ignorant address them, they reply, "Peace!"
so president MATHSS says "PEACE"
MATHSS
PEACE
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goharayub (1700) ranked 2,420 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
Maths brother i told you leave them alone,
they thing being fked up is more advanced?? or being raped and not saying any thing is more advance?? then i think your women are more advanced and may ALLAH make them more advance,and when your man are finish come to us we will make you more advanced lolz @ ADVANCED WOMEN,
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
GR8 brother gohar lolol
i won as u can clearly see
i will follow your advice and leave THEM to become more "ADVANCED"
thankyou
LOL
Njoy
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sndcain36 (930) ranked 933 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
Mathss the only thing you "won" was the distinction of proving that your religion is as ridiculous as I have claimed and that your moral and intellectual growth is so retarded you are incapable of seeing it.
Thinking, rational people will read your responses and be more than assured that Islam is a cancer on society.
I didn't even have to continue responding--I just had to let you keep digging your own grave.
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
Read the above response
President Mathss says
PEACE + -
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aminnagpure (126) ranked 1,093 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
gohar please answer this
if whatever gohar says is true, then why taliban which is the 100% follower of quaran baneed girls schools, stoning girls to death
taliban followers do pray 5 times a day, must have read quaran 100 times, and they do such things, that means quaran must be the source of it..
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
Hi pure
That is invading into a discussion
Lol
How do you know the above mentioned people performed those acts
Which verse of the koran did they take?
The rights of women have already been explained above
Hope this answers your question
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Makro74 (48) ranked 7,694 out of 8,205 in religion
23 hours ago
Maths and Gohar,
Phew,..... that was quite a show. Gnquesy talked about women and his friend Sncain came along to give him support and up the tempo. But you brothers, well done!
These two have such illogical upbringing, that they have to, by all accounts win the argument. Unfortunately, most of theirs are not winnable.
Maths, great rape statistics, you really put a sock in Gnquos mouth! He couldn't keep up. Sndcain, attempted but her knee jerk reactions. Funny how Islam and women, seems to ring alarm bells in her head. + -
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PrarieStyle (290) ranked 1,606 out of 8,205 in religion
17 hours ago
Great response Aminnagpure!
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goharayub (1700) ranked 2,420 out of 8,205 in religion
15 hours ago
there is some problem with those people not with the Quran,
they think women should not study,where as Quran says you must has to study,
so who has the problem?? simple: those people, and you too which do not know any thing and talk like that.
give me any verse of Quran says to do like that??
even Wife of Hazzrat muhammad PBUH was a teacher, one of her wife had her own business,so what does that mean is the people like you and me who are extremist are spreading wrong or false sayings of ISLAM and they do such because they want to do,like you"blame and dont listen to what others say"
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
13 hours ago
Hi
Makro74
Thankyou
yeah i tried my best brother
but my aim was only to remove the misconceptions of the religion I still respect SND & GNOSISQUEST .
Thankyou Brother Makro
Mathss
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15. PrarieStyle (290) ranked 1,606 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
I wouldn't even want to be reincarnated as a Muslim male. Why would I want to rape virgins and little boys for eternity?
Makes me even more grateful I'm not a Muslim woman.
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Quality of life is the key here; if a person had 100 times the libido as Muhammad states about his "paradise" it would be hell and not a heaven.
There is no evidence for the Paradise of Christians and Muslims; there is some evidence for reincarnation which makes it even more important to enlighten people about the Islamic trap. Rated! !
Haraaz (23) ranked 7,543 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
What evidence are you talking about exists for reincarnation? Those people who are under hypnosis who tells about a previous life? They're just talking with jinns:D + -
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
What evidence do you have for jinns?
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16. seeiloveu (93) ranked 4,602 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Islam is the only religion that sees both the male-sex and the female-sex with equal eyes.
Like all holy books, whose meanings evade the ordinary people, the Koran too may appear to be silent on important issues ... although it is not - Any reader of the Holy Koran should also read the meanings of each words', each sentences' before jumping to any or many copnclusions.
As far as the end-rewards are concerned, both the sexes - males and the females - are destined to get them as to how they have performed herre on Earth.
By the way, if you look very carefully, the Muslim-females are destined to get more rewards than the Muslim-males!
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Equal eyes my a$$!
After posting this I did some research and the Koran states it takes two women to equal the testimony of one male. This is enough to disqualify Islam as supporting equal rights for women; yet this is just the tip of the iceberg!
Take a look at this page to understand some of the bestial atrocities of Islam: http://www.answering-isla...
That any person can claim they get their inspiration from a "holy" book and yet treat their women in this fashion is an insult to the intelligence of us all.
Islam is not holy; it is an abomination and an insult to the human race! Rated! !
Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
you are what you are
i do not think your question is related to any religion but i will respond
Attachment to Maya is an ocean of darkness (ignorance); neither this
shore nor the one beyond can be seen. The ignorant, Manmukhs suffer
in terrible pain; they forget God’s Name and drown. They arise in the
morning and perform all sorts of rituals, but they are caught in the love
of duality. Those who serve the Satguru cross over the terrifying
world-ocean. O Nanak, the Gurmukhs keep the True Name enshrined
in their hearts; they are absorbed into the True One (sggs 89).
A Spiritual seeker who has gained fair control and purification of his mind and intellect may ask: what is the quickest means by which to cross over this ocean of ignorance and go beyond? In other words, how one can cross over this world-ocean of Maya which is so terrifying, agitated, and turbulent due to one's mental wilderness, delusion, fear, emotional attachment, doubts, duality, and so on?
“You now become easy victims of lust, anger, malice, envy and the rest of that evil brood; the atmosphere of the heart is polluted by the ego-fumes.”
“The person, who causes the downfall of a noble woman... who causes loss to his friend...who despite of his superiority is ignorant; is called a fallen man.
now i think you have understood
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (592) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Why are the followers of source ignored when the fallen man attacks?
Why should a fallen man have power over a follower of the source or GOD? Why should a noble woman turn against her husband and be led to attack a man she claimed to love?
Who are the fallen that encouraged this evil behavior, who are those that are jealous and full of lust to commit atrocities against the innocent? What about all of the families and the children?
Who shows love compassion and care? Who is willing to share?
Who defiled the works of creation? Who defiled the marriage bed? I can tell you who it was the leaders of organized religion and their politics, the philosophies of old cycled around for another attack on the innocent.
17. gurkha786 (19) ranked 8,196 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
SNDCAIN
DO YOU SLEEP WITH YOUR HUSBANDS FATHER AS YOUR GOOD BIBLE PREACHES YOU TOO, BECAUSE IF YOU ARE NOT THEN YOU ARE NOT OBEYING YOUR SO CALLED GODS WORD RIGHT.SO WHY DNT YOU TAKE UR COMMENTS AND STUFF IT IN YOUR AARSE, I SHOULD THINK ITS BIG ENOUGH TO TAKE ALOT.
GNOSISQUEST
if you disagree with something and think something is not right you have to give an alternative which you think is superior but you never do the simple reason is it is inferior and you can not swallow that simple truth.
if i m not wrong you do not beleave in god and religion but accidental creation. after the accident the creations adopted the rule survival of the fittest in other words take whatever you like and whenever you like no matter what. YOU HAVE SUCH A SCREWED UP MENTALITY THAT MENTAL PATIENTS WOULD SHIVER AT THE MERE MENTION OF IT.
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Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Gurkha:
Do you expect me or anyone else to respect you for what you just posted?
Actually I would like to thank you for illustrating the defense of the Muslims, knowing how few people would like to descend to your mental state.
I leave you free to do your own research; the fact you employ "Allah" to fill the gaps in your knowledge does not mean Allah is real it means you have something to learn. + -
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gurkha786 (19) ranked 8,196 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
yeah, fine
but still no alternative from you so you are still a screwed up retard. + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
Hey bible does not preach such things
Just check it up
I and gnosis are the only followers of the mythical god source we beleive god created this world brahma (creator) is our god + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
BTW worshippers of source are devils
we try to show the wrong path
if u believe us its ur mistake
we have fooled 2 million humans still counting .....
Yours sin cerly
THE DEVIL
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18. aminnagpure (126) ranked 1,093 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
Well Gohar and other muslim friends please answer this
Taliban is a true follower of islam, they say lot about of quaran and islam and they are the biggest source of terror. they banned girls school, they stone women to death and do many things
they call jihad, what is that,
taliban muslim leaders do namaz five times a day, must have read quaran 100 times atleast, when they do such things, that means there is something wrong in there..
becoz there only source of information is there religion and they do follow it, and they got so many followers.. what do you guys think of this
are they reading wrong books?, when they openly say anything about jihad, why not other muslim scholors come and say they are wrong if they are wrong, that means they are right
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
Already answered
Pure if you have any other argument please respond in my friend sndcains response
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goharayub (1700) ranked 2,420 out of 8,205 in religion
15 hours ago
who told you non said that they are wrong??
actually you listen to what you want,you check those websites which are wrong and you sit in such gathering where people dont know any thing,
kindly go read the khudba of this year HAJJ, the imam clearly told people that what they are doing are wrong,
2ndly those taliban which are been killed or caught has found that are not muslims because they had never circumcised,and the muslim child which is born must do that,30 out of 39 killed by US army last year had not circumcised,what does that mean is that although they are beard they are offering prayers but they are not muslims they are only acting like a muslim and the ISLAMIC laws clearly says that,
lolz @ your explanation,please as i told above please think and say what you are saying,first of all investigate and then say,if you dont have enough time get out of here,
MUSLIM TEACHING SAYS
Educate your self Muslims(Man,Women) till death
the last address of Holy prophet also said,
oo my people, you have right over your wives and wives have rights over you, do not treat them harshly(if you think you are strong),ALLAH will ask you for each and every thing for what you will do.
do you know that sayings of HOLY PROPHET?? No you dont know,because you only know what web sites tell you,what news tells you,what new papers tell you
sorry but you are talking utter rubbish,and way way out of the topic
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goharayub (1700) ranked 2,420 out of 8,205 in religion
15 hours ago
let me explaing you one more thing too,
like you have laws of your own country if you dont obey them what will they do?? they will give you punishment right??
same is the case of ISLAM,
islam has their own laws too, like if you are thieve and you are caught while doing or picking any thing you hands will be cut,
if you are unamrried and you has been caught for having sex you will be hit 80 hunters on your back and if you are married then you will be stoned till your death,
these are laws and you must has to obey them like you do obey yours,i think you only saw on YOU TUBE they were stoning her,but have you searched or have you read or asked any one why?? No you didnt?? unless me.
listen my friend every country every religion and every part of the world have some rules to follow these rules are not for people to show them,and ISLAMIC rules are like if you punish one other will say oh very curel and all other people will stop doing those sins,
if you were a student in the school and you are not good student,will your teacher punish you?? yes,he/she will,if he/she will not,you will not and others will not do home work of that teacher and what will happen?? that teachers result will be ZERO,
kindly improve your mental approach towards ISLAM,
yes people might be Wrong but ISLAM it self is not
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
13 hours ago
GR8 response Gohar
Thanks
Njoy
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goharayub (1700) ranked 2,420 out of 8,205 in religion
12 hours ago
thanks Maths,
if you would like to add some thing statically please do,because i am very busy to calculate stats of such response
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
6 hours ago
no MR Gohar I do not have enough knowledge to add a word here your answer has explained everything there is nothing more which can be asked
have a gr8 time
Njoy
GR8 response Gohar
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aminnagpure (126) ranked 1,093 out of 8,205 in religion
6 hours ago
well taliban is not muslim, then why are the muslim leaders around the world support them, support them just becoz they are muslim, pakistani authorities support them, ISI support them
i went to pakistani forums, the guys over there were pro-taliban
ISI is deep rooted to taliban they were the pioneers of creating taliban with help of usa to fight russians, and they still have relations with them
if you say that talibans are not muslims, then this is the shocking news, you could get lot of money if you give this news to CNN and BBC
well these taliban people did go to madarasas for education and also goes to mosques, and they say that it is written in quran about jihad, and all the other stuff..
Afghanistan,pakistan is a muslim country and a large section of its population support them, support there ideas
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aminnagpure (126) ranked 1,093 out of 8,205 in religion
6 hours ago
islam was created for political reasons, thats what i have learned from lot of posts from mylot
and osama and taliban is using it for political reasons to gain power to motivate individuals, those suicide bombers, and they say they will go to heaven if they die for there cause, which is fake
ajmal kasab a pakistani national caught in mumbai attack said, he had been told by pakistani army officer before going for an attack
beta tum jihad par jaa rahey ho, if you die in jihad, there will be virgin in heaven waiting for you in heaven to have Mohabat(sex) with you.
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aminnagpure (126) ranked 1,093 out of 8,205 in religion
5 hours ago
root cause of all evils are poverty and unemployement, if a guy is poor he will find ways to earn money, mostly it would be evil if he fails to find any genuine way to earn..
poverty is the root cause. thats what taliban did, they followed islam laws and killed many, abused many womens, now tell me how will the people feed themselves when the whole economy is blown up by them..
they simply went on a rampage on punishing people in public
you saw there women, begging on the streets its all becoz of taliban, they destroyed the economy and left no choice for these women but to beg
and also if 1 is unemployed, like osama bin laden, he was too rich and nothing to do, so he did jihad, becoz he was bored.
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aminnagpure (126) ranked 1,093 out of 8,205 in religion
5 hours ago
if you say taliban are not islam followers, it is the most shocking news i have ever heard..
then what are these taliban leaders shouting about, they are shouting about islam and jihad, why wud they do it if they are not muslim
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aminnagpure (126) ranked 1,093 out of 8,205 in religion
5 hours ago
always watch credible news channel and watch many, i always go to pakistani websites to check there side of the story, and then analyse it..
i will tell you, pakistani media always tries to hide the fact, they try to hide bad things about pakistan, they want to show that it is a consiparcy against them, against islam, so that they can sell more there news
which is what people like to hear, that they are innocent and people are unnecessary blaming them
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goharayub (1700) ranked 2,420 out of 8,205 in religion
5 hours ago
lolz @ ajmal kasab hahah
there is no evidence of Ajmal kasab with INDIA they are only talking like you are talking right now,with out any evidence,
and Pakistan only protecting Pakistanis
because you people are idiots and you dont know who are the real roots when your army man will come to Pakistan they will try to kill every one with beard person, me too,
Talib means Students in Arabic and this the name given to those people who are bombing and doing suicide attacks people like you,
because you are ignorant and you only talk what you are taught,you never seek the truth and only say things because you people have no vision or are not broad minded to accept the reality
i dont know how to deal with people like you??? First your country said they are from ABC city there BBC AND GEo news went and investigated and found that there are some Indian people who have told the people to say he was from here,but non said that,also there is nothing named AJMAL Kasab in that city from last 50 years lolz again
but you might not have heard that because you want to listen to what you want, Lolz at you puppets..
government is only brain washing silly people like you in the name of country,like you tell us
also ISLAM says Jahad but Jahad does not mean to kill inocent people,
Jahad has its on definition,but how will you know about the definition?? you cant even eat your self how will define me my religion?? lolz at your thinking ability
Jahad is able is One power is killing innocent people you can do jahad,
if some one wants to come and wants to kill or conquer you then you can stand and fight(that fight is called jahad) like your army do,here we all do. lolz at you people,
if you do the same thing with other name it is ok and if we do then its shame?? wow,thats great??
i only call people like you are SLEEPING GIANTS and i know how to wake you up.
WAKE UP OTHER WISE I AM COMING TO WAKE U UP AS A JAHAD lolz hahahaha
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aminnagpure (126) ranked 1,093 out of 8,205 in religion
5 hours ago
you still belive that ajmal kasab is not pakistani..
look what nawaz sharif said, his village is cordoned off, his parents are taken away, his neighbours are taken away, FBI is not allowed to visit ajmals village, why??
like i said, you are watching wrong news channel. your intelligence and way you think is laughable
America,Uk,Russia,Isreal says so there, intelligence gathering says so..
all of them cannot be wrong
india cannot prove he is pakistani, because he dont carry pakistani passport,ration card or anything else..
its upto pakistan to prove,
i even guess that pakistani army has killed ajmal kasabs parents and there neighbours just to prove there point
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goharayub (1700) ranked 2,420 out of 8,205 in religion
5 hours ago
if you say that they are telling lie then i will only say that you people are only blaming and doing nothing,
because you people want to rule the world + US,
Arabs have every things Oil most of all, and you people want that,
if you will get that you will keep quite and will sit in the home,
every one knows that why this OSAMA DRAMA came in to being lolz
there was no OSAMA before 2000?? he had nothing to do with AMERICA??
lolz 100000000000 of physicians proved wrong that TRADE CENTER was only blown by crash of airoplane but still they are going here and there in the name of OSAMA, come one grow up you people, go wash your face so you can wake up
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goharayub (1700) ranked 2,420 out of 8,205 in religion
5 hours ago
as i said you are again saying what you want?? lolz @ at your aproach
first of ALL INDIA said he is from Kareem abad,
All Pakistani News channel went their and investegated they found nothing,
there is no AJAMAL so where from his parents came??
i dont know what are you are reading and what source you have??
and about you and Isreal?? you are only DOGS of US, if US says yes you people will say yes,if he says no you say No too,
he is landing you Planes to fight with us,your IT and departments are toooooo low to even fight small country like Pakistan,still you rely on AMERICA,so how can you say or he say No TO WHAT HE OR YOU SAY?? lolz + -
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cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
5 hours ago
aminnagpure, there's a number of things I want to say here. Firstly, it's a good debate!
However, the point of the Taliban being a true follower of Islam is factually incorrect. I'm going out on a limb here when I say it, and I will explain why.
Muslims believe "La illaha il Allah" - there is no God but God. Muslims put no other on an equal footing to God. Anybody who sits in judgement of another is considered to be doing just that. So, even though someone does a heinous crime or a barbaric act, it would be wrong for us to judge those people, as we place ourselves on the same level as God. However, Darul ul Islam - a group in India and Pakistan - took the unusual step of publicly denouncing terrorism in all its forms and said that anyone who committed these crimes could not call themselves Muslims. From the failure of the Taliban to desist from their hateful crimes, we can see that they pay no heed to religious authority. Their authority is through the end of a gun. They may pray 5 times a day, read the Quran 100 times, but their actions are an outward sign of their inner disposition.
Your point about the US, UK and Israeli intelligence knowing what is happening .... well, I take that very lightly, as they proved before the Gulf War that their "intelligence" wasnt very clever. You do remember the claim of the UK intelligence community - that Iraq could ready a SCUD to fire in 45 minutes after the order was given? That was proven to be untrue - and admitted to by the intelligence community.
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goharayub (1700) ranked 2,420 out of 8,205 in religion
5 hours ago
nice definitions cooler,
but who will explain these very simple and very incommon things to whole world??
no one listens to us,because every one thinks like AMINNAG,
every one has the source of news which aminnag has,
we are unable to even tell them the truth because they dont want to listen,and when they are proven wrong they run away with their tails up in the blanket and say they dont know any thing??
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 hours ago
Hi
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aminnagpure (126) ranked 1,093 out of 8,205 in religion
4 hours ago
they did not attacked iraq becoz he had weapons of mass destruction, but they wanted to remove saddam hussien, that was there main intention
saddam was very arogant,dangerousr and super rich person could have acquired wmd, after the sanctions were lifted
most of the times, american intelligence is correct, it is not only american intelligence is saying that ajmal kasab is pakistani, but uk,isrealis and russians too
what gohar says is absolutely silly and childish, let me tell you gohar pakistan has nothing so that world takes efforts to capture it,
what this gohar and other fellow country men do is, they move around in circles. i.e is islam,jihad and then back again islam and jihad
they refuse to admit there is a problem, and there is a problem, lot of terrorism is coming from that part of the area, thats why people are focusing on it, or why would any one put attention to it
and i also tell you pakistan is a dog of usa, it feeds on usa, and uk aid, there econmoy runs on it
i guess gohar only has one channel and that is PTV, so thats why is information is so limited, i have more than 130 channels, plus i surf all over the web
in kargil, pakistan said, they are not pakistani army and refuse to collect the dead bodies of there soldiers, but they were pakistani army and latter they accepted it..
they will soon accept about ajmal kasab, because world is saying it, and they will put pressure on pakistan, and you will know the truth very soon..
i will say gohar, grow up watch more channels, and also try to find other side of the story you will know the truth + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 hours ago
Hi pure
Are you a member of taliban?
You seen to have a lot of info
Btw we are discussing about islam and not about india and pakistan
If you are interested in political discussions i recommend you to start a new discussion in politics arguing over here is just waste of time
If you have a logical question about islam we will answer
We all know the 1962 war and the present situation in india is pathetic
Oh the intelligence failures lol
You cannot blame others for your own mistake
I do not know much about india pakistan politics if you have any question pertaining to the topic please ask
Lol Gohar gr8 argument + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 hours ago
Pure you cannot insult a citizen of the country for the actions performed by it
As already replied we are discussing about religion + -
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aminnagpure (126) ranked 1,093 out of 8,205 in religion
4 hours ago
politics here is related to islam, because it is the same ideas which the fundamentalist in pakistan is using it to spread terror across the globe,the word JIHAAAAAAAD
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 hours ago
Pure you cannot insult a citizen of the country for the actions performed by it
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 hours ago
Pure are you a member of taliban?
Please start a discussion in politics about this
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aminnagpure (126) ranked 1,093 out of 8,205 in religion
4 hours ago
well iam not a good beliver, but i have seen that women rights are abused more in muslim world + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 hours ago
Those who attack others those who kill others in the name of religion are not muslims though they call themself as muslims.as muslims they should support peace islam its self means peace .we muslims do not support such acts.
The quran does not support terror attacks . The verses which many people quote are out of context they were revealed during the pact of hudaibia when the kuffar (this is not an insult it means those who do not beleive in what we beleive) broke this pact.
It is true when martyrs die they enter heaven but do u consider these terrorists as martyrs i dont infact those who died in the kargil war fighting for india are martyrs not those who kill others for their own benefit.
Islam does not promote terrorism .in fact according 2 islam killing a person is like killing the whole humanity .
INDIA'S TERRORIST MINISTER
Defense chief George Fernandes raised funds and supplied arms to the terrorist Tamil Tigers
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j010202.html
Elements of an Inside Job in Mumbai Attacks
By Jeremy R. Hammond
(The Intelligence Daily) -- Indian police last week arrested Hassan Ali Khan, who was wanted for investigations into money laundering and other illicit activities, and who is also said to have ties to Dawood Ibrahim, the underworld kingpin who evidence indicates was the mastermind behind the terrorist attacks in Mumbai last month.
Ibrahim is also alleged to have close ties with both Pakistan’s Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI) agency and the CIA.
Another character linked to the CIA whose name is now beginning to figure into the web of connections between the Mumbai attacks, criminal organizations, and intelligence agencies is Saudi arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi, of Iran-Contra infamy. Khashoggi has been implicated in arms deals with drug traffickers and terrorist groups, including within India.
Dawood Ibrahim is a known major drug trafficker whom India claims is being protected by Pakistan. As Foreign Policy Journal previously reported, there are also some indications that the CIA has a similar interest in preventing Ibrahim from being handed over to India. Ibrahim is wanted by India for the recent Mumbai attacks as well as for bombings that occurred there in 1993.
Ibrahim is a native of India who rose through the ranks of the criminal underworld in Bombay (now Mumbai). According to media reports in India, he got his start as an undercover informant for the police at a young age and thus has an intimate knowledge of Indian law enforcement and intelligence, and is alleged to have fostered close ties with individuals within the political system.
Another known associate of Ibrahim’s in Mumbai, Mohammed Ali, is suspected of assisting the terrorists, who were met by an individual in Uran before continuing on to Mumbai, where inflatable rubber dinghies had been arranged to take them ashore by the same individual. Numerous earlier press accounts indicated that the dinghies, along with other logistical assistance, were provided by an associate of Ibrahim’s.
The Times of India, for instance, reported on November 28 that according to police sources the Mumbai attack “was enabled by the Dawood Ibrahim gang”, and that “It would not have been possible to carry out a terror operation on this scale without a collaborative local network and this was provided by the D Gang. As the terrorists had entered via the sea, the needle of suspicion is clearly pointing at Mohammed Ali, the new poinstman of Dawood.”
Yet Indian news reports indicate that officials have been slow to act against Hassan Ali Khan, and Mohammed Ali continues smuggling operations out of Mumbai for Ibrahim’s crime syndicate, D-Company, completely unmolested by Indian investigators and law enforcement.
As the November 28 Times of India article observed, Ali “is known to indulge in smuggling of diesel, petroleum, naptha, drugs and arms with impunity and it appears that the terrorists had used his networks to enter the city by the sea route…. Despite having a detailed dossier on him, the authorities have not taken any action against him. What is more worrying is that Ali is believed to have also penetrated naval intelligence.”
A further report from the Times of India on December 4 noted that Dawood Ibrahim is “sitting pretty in Karachi” under the protection of Pakistan and his “hawala channel between Mumbai and Karachi remains busy”. “But central agencies question why the Maharashtra government has not taken any action against the D-company here.”
“‘What’s the point of asking Islamabad to hand over Dawood when we’re not doing anything to destroy his empire in Mumbai and other places in India?’ a senior official asked.”
The article observed that Mohammed Ali “continues to operate with impunity.
Again, on December 11, Times of India reported that “Mumbai police has still not called Ali for questioning”, adding that “Ali is also known to have the backing of two powerful politicians of south Mumbai and that could be the reason why he is still untouched.”
In addition to links to Ibrahim, both men are also alleged, like Ibrahim himself, to have ties to political officials in India, and there are numerous other indications emerging that the attacks were assisted by elements within India being protected by the political establishment.
Hassan Ali Khan
India’s Daily News & Analysis reported last week that it appears Hassan Ali Khan “was part of a multi-crore [Indian numerical unit equivalent to ten-millions] hawala syndicate racket and may have joined hands with the organized crime operated by underworld don Dawood Ibrahim. He is also suspected to have funded terror organizations.”
India’s Enforcement Directorate (ED) “had also told the Bombay High Court that there were indications that Ali was part of a strong international crime syndicate with money flowing in from ‘proceeds of heinous crimes like terrorism, arms trade, gun running, corruption and organized forgery’.”
A series of news reports from March 2007 in the Times of India revealed that Khan was being investigated for money laundering and other illicit activities. A laptop recovered from his home showed that he had accounts at a Swiss bank. Khan had reportedly tried to take advantage of tax waivers granted on investments originating outside India in countries with double taxation avoidance agreements with India. The funds were also be used to invest in the stock market.
Khan would send funds abroad through illegal channels and re-route them into India through shell companies in countries with such a tax arrangement with India. According tothe Times of India, “Khan has no known sources of income in India but owns stud farms and often travels abroad.” His wealth is estimated to be in the billions, and he owns property in Mumbai and Pune.
Investigators from the Enforcement Directorate (ED) “had crucial input from the Intelligence Bureau, which was concerned about this unaccounted money having implications for national security.”
One of the countries used to route money back into India was Mauritius, an island chain off the east coast of Africa near Madagascar and a former British colony. The UK still maintains a military presence there. It expelled the inhabitants of the island of Diego Garcia in order to turn it into a military base, which has also been used by the US for its own military operations.
According to reports, prior to the terrorist attacks in Mumbai, a team had been sent ahead and checked into the Taj Mahal hotel, one of the key targets of the attacks, and established a control room where they had food, weapons, and other supplies waiting in anticipation of the siege of the hotel by police and special forces. An identification card from Mauritius was used to check into the room.
Hassan Ali Khan has an interest in horse-racing and trades in thoroughbreds. The Times of India reported that “he had attracted attention on the Pune racing turf where he surfaced about five years ago as a small-time punter who suddenly became one of the biggest players. His contacts, by default, were with some of the top industrialists who have an interest in horse-trading.”
Last February, the Hindustan Times reported that the Swiss bank involved in the money transfers, USB (United Bank of Switzerland) AG, was reluctant to assist Indian investigators, and the investigation had been stalled as a result. The ED had advised the Indian government not to approve a plan by UBS AG to buy Standard Chartered Bank, an Indian mutual fund business, because of its lack of cooperation in tracking Khan’s money transfers. According to the ED, Khan had $8 billion in the bank’s accounts.
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
3 hours ago
This attack is a debateable topic (politics) at the time of this attack the indian navy was present how could the terrorists pass unnoticed during the naval excercise
The US intelligence informed india twice about this attack but indians ignored it
The indian government did not introduce tough laws to combat terrorism the government follows a policy of minority appeasement + -
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Does Organized Religion cause Mental Meltdown?
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Have you seen it? There they are the Mother and Father frazzled the children doing what children do and there is no family bond, no love or direction they are not united. The example is a dysfunctional family highly volatile what caused the dysfunction?
Someone is poor,
Someone is jealous,
Someone is exhausted,
Someone lacks empathy,
Someone has a bad idea,
Someone chooses to yell,
Someone is over burdened,
Someone is short tempered,
Someone is emotionally drained,
Someone has nothing nice to say,
Someone claims to Love GOD and is full of hatred.
What is the picture that you get?
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1. Ravenladyj (15676) ranked 93 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
I think organized religion causes many negative things including mental issues.."meltdowns" though, I dunno but plenty of negative issues that cut it close without a doubt...
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Many negative issues that cut it close,
I think many issues are created and could be cut...
What is worse is when the government and the "Professionals" instead of helping hurt families that are suffering from such curses.
Here is the deal, if you get professional involvement that will cost you more time and money, what are some of the problems that created the dysfunction? Exhaustion, a lack of energy, time and money...
Let's add a bigger burden on over burdened families...
How does organized religion help? It only compounds the problems, mixing the wealthy with the poor only exacerbates the problem because the poor are already doing all that they can do to survive with no help and nothing to live on. Then make the poor live by the rules established for the elite and you only compound the problem yet again.
Are you ready to expand your thoughts?
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2. Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Is this discussion about a picture (shape) or about organised religions
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
What do you see?
Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
tough question
i can see my monitor and people writing comments against all religions i think those people who write against christianity are to be blamed for the above mentioned
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Your answer is related in an inverted manner and is a false assessment of what is being proclaimed. You have created an attack on the person making a statement and providing proof that all religions are flawed instead of providing proof that the claims are false or unfounded. The problem you have is the truth and the evidence that I can provide is proof positive that what I write about is absolutely true and you can not refute what I'm proclaiming.
Therefore the only action or recourse you have left and available is to attack the person presenting the truth.
Am I Correct?
You didn't notice the words made a picture in the original post? I thought children liked to look at pictures, what else do you see? Could there be a finger pointing? or maybe someone showing the way to go? Without color the picture is a base picture and could be turned into anything if you are creative with a good imagination...
Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
hi sir
yes maybe you are right all religions may have some mistakes but a .00000...1% chance that organised religion maybe right I am merely staying on the safe side with the majority even if religion does not exist there is no harm in pleasing ones mind with false notions
Yes you are right
according to me
i am not a child
Njoy
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3. freethinkingagent (540) ranked 5,392 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Someone is in trouble... Probably the kids
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
We are all children.
Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
yeah the kids are in troube
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4. derek_a (3124) ranked 833 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
I believe that we all have to find what is right for ourselves. For some people this may be organised religion, for others is may be something else. I guess it is all about what you are ready for. I am a Zen practitioner and have realised myself, without using organized religion that it is better to help other and have more compassion.:-)Derek
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
See my post above to Ravnjlady #1,
Would you still agree that people should be involved in organized religion, or does organized religion become exclusive and a catalyst for suffering?
What does suffering lead to?
derek_a (3124) ranked 833 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
I don't think it causes suffering for those who feel it's right for them. And not so much these days, but back in the early days, people were put to death if they didn't accept the religion of their country.
Buddha was the founder of Zen - and Zen can be applied with any religion. Zen really means meditation and focus which is at its basis. Buddha sat in meditation until he reached spiritual enlightenment which told him that the root of all suffering was desire. It is not easy to transcend desire, but that is the aim of Zen. So if a religion generates desire in its followers, there is going to be suffering.
I have just one rule in my life and that is to do unto others as they would do unto me. Therefore, I do not want them to hurt me, so I won't hurt others. I do not want them to steal from me, so I will not steal from them. This is my "religion" you could say. Organised religion preaches the same thing but I don't belong to any specific religion.:-) Derek + -
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
It is a pleasure to talk with you Derek,
Yes, you are right about your personal path being on the right path and that organized religion does create a desire and that desire causes harm to others, or do the others cause harm to themselves?
I'm not trying to convince you of anything that you do not already know and believe, you brought up some very tolerant points that are quite intolerant. How can you say that it is okay for some but not for all? Have you ever seen that type of logic used anywhere else for any other agenda?
In short, we have to look at the situation from a new angle we have to have new eyes to see what the real problem is.
First question to ask is have we caused anyone to suffer? Not you or I but the system in general, the system being religion and politics...
Now if you care to continue to have this conversation I will come back and add to the discussion as long as you are willing to keep up your end of the discussion.
We can agree on everything and still have a lot to talk about.
We can find points where we disagree and try to win each other over to our way of thinking.
I'm in...
Cheers and Happy New Year,
Happy MyLotting:)
Sincerely,
Gary
derek_a (3124) ranked 833 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
It is a pleasure talking to you too Gary... These are my thoughts that have come up for me during my 30+ years as a Zen practitioner. They are not written in stone of course, but I am willing to share them. Other readers just need to see what they are ready to see and reject what is not true for them. As Zen doesn't preach or change beliefs.
***do the others cause harm to themselves?
We are all responsible for our own experiences. We create our lives and our responses to stimuli and people that come into our lives.
***How can you say that it is okay for some but not for all?
In Zen we see the relative (ying-yang) world as illusion, but an illusion that we are here to grow through and realise our own "one-ness" - that nothing is really separate. Therefore what I say may not make a geat deal of sense...
We need to become enlightened and whenever we judge another, we are drawn back into a dualistic world. When we realise that the self and other is an illusion, we don't need to judge. We cannot judge anything if we are not separate from it. Therefore when I learn of a person who is heavilly into organised religion, I will let him/her be. They may have to become very obsessive before they realise they are obsessive. Once they realise they are obsessive, they have a choice to quit being that way or stay the same. They usually opt to quit.
***Have you ever seen that type of logic used anywhere else for any other agenda?
I have seen a lot logic, but Zen is not logic. It recognises "at-one-ness" and therefore cannot be analysed. If we keep looking at logic [with awareness] logic disappears as all argument and debate does so.
***In short, we have to look at the situation from a new angle we have to have new eyes to see what the real problem is.
Yes, we just look at and witness the situation without attempting to make logic or analyse. We can merely share our insights with those who ask.
***First question to ask is have we caused anyone to suffer?
That to me is the paradox, like the Zen precept of not killing. How do you do that? Zen doesn't specify killing anything specific. It could be killing time, killing thought, killing an insect you accidently step on. The precepts are almost impossible to keep 100%, but by aspiring to keep them, we develop a higher state of awareness of where are and who we are.
***Now if you care to continue to have this conversation I will come back and add to the discussion as long as you are willing to keep up your end of the discussion.
Yes, I am more than willing:-) Please bear in mind that if I disappear for several hours, I am in the UK and may have logged off for the day.:-)
***We can find points where we disagree and try to win each other over to our way of thinking.
I will just share my thoughts, as I say, I don't try and win anybody over to my way of thinking. By sharing my thoughts though, another paradox occurs and I learn even more of what lies at deeper and deeper levels of consciousness. Answering questions exposes quite a lot, and contemplationg exposes even more.:-)
Happy New Year to you too
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Thank You Derek,
I must apologize to to Ravenladyj for the misspelling of her identity, I am sorry that happened...
I'm going to bring your attention to a couple of points,
Do others cause harm to themselves? Was a bit rhetorical, as while in some cases we do bring things into our lives and that is obvious but at the same time there are others setting traps to ensnare people, you might even find that you have been united to such an individual, unknowingly...
That will set into motion a series of events that are predictable inevitable and truly preventable. There are many people witnessing what is well known and instead of really fixing the problem these other people chose to profit from the obvious.
That is what I call pathetic.
No one should have to suffer unnecessarily,
But how do we help for even in Zen you construct a plan and then you implement that plan with action. It is a matter of thinking and then applying the thought process as by design. This reduces the chance of making a mistake or causing harm.
I have to go eat so this conversation can be tabled for now, and I will keep an open eye if you have any more to add, or if others join in...
Welcome and thank you...
derek_a (3124) ranked 833 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
***but at the same time there are others setting traps to ensnare people, you might even find that you have been united to such an individual, unknowingly...
Yes, this is true, again seen a part of the ensnared person's karma as we are all ensnared in our "rational" minds the moment we learn to rationalise. Zazen (Zen meditation) is then the method a Zen practitioner would use to find his/her way out of the entrapment into true liberation or "Buddha Mind" that is all seeing, all knowing, all one. However, Zen does produce blind belief, and those who have already touched on this enlightenment merely share that there is such a state of consciousness and invite other to realise this through their own efforts in zazen.
***That will set into motion a series of events that are predictable inevitable and truly preventable.
In Zen, all is illusion except what is here and now. Yesterday or a nano-second ago is a mental dream, and so is tomorrow. The here and now, is instant and eternal, yet cannot be found in thought, only in experience that is beyond thought. Possibilities are preventable, but not 100%. For example a stone dropped from a high building will probably forcibly hit the ground or something below, but a strong, freak gust of wind could blow it on to a ledge where it could stay for eternity, but again, not necessarily so. So, in Zen preventable possibilities are seen as illusions too. We live in the world of illusion where desire if born, but we have the ability to transform our consciousness if opportunity comes our way, and the law of evolution seems to bring that opportunity even if at times, it does seem that it is going the wrong way. It goes the wrong way, we get caught up in belief-systems etc. because it is our karma to do so.
***There are many people witnessing what is well known and instead of really fixing the problem these other people chose to profit from the obvious.
If all is an illusion, is it not so that there is nothing really to fix?:-)
***No one should have to suffer unnecessarily,
So true. Give up desire and it will cease. Easier said than done, I know from experience! LOL. Without desire we would live in the here and now, not wanting to be in the next moment, or somewhere else, or have something else.
But what of ambition? Is that not a trait that society wants us to adopt? Too much, has caused a credit crunch. Too little and things would stand still.
Zen is great paradox as it can be applied to anything. Many Japanese businesses are Zen-based as are the martial arts. The aim is perfection by here and now consciousness. And so we hit another paradox. The aim for perfection can become a desire and we are hooked back into the relative world again. Japan has a huge economy crafted out of the ashes of the last war - a comendable fete. Yet it is back on the roller coaster, but Zen follows the ups and downs and will not slow down the momentum of karma. The economy thrives and then suffers, but any conscious Zen practitioner involved will just be "enjoying the ride". That's the theory anyway.,
You use the word "should" [have to suffer]. The word suggest a rule like one should do this or should not do that. A rule gets imposed from a judgement of what is good and what is bad. If bad exists, then one has to separate oneself from the experience and that ensures the continued existence of bad. In the relative [illusory] world there has to be opposites.
***But how do we help for even in Zen you construct a plan and then you implement that plan with action.
If one would allow him/herself to accept and witness what is bad, it would be resolved in the here and now consciousness. As a therapist, this is the technique I use with my clients with their meditation, to bring them back to the here and now so that they can transcend their discomfort (karma). So the plan is contructed but then destroyed as consciousness can let go of the relative.
I am logging off for the night now, but will check back tomorrow.
Thank you for this interaction, for me it is a great opportunity to re-evaluate my own Zen practice.:-) + -
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Sleep well Derek,
As you rise and enter into your routine, and find yourself centered in meditation thinking of what this day will bring, who will enter the room and when the phone will ring, you will find a moment that you knew... Is this really true? Will you shake it off or has this happened before?
A magnetic person can draw and repel, there are two forces, positive and negative, they can work together or against each other, but they always work, pushing or pulling, Yin and Yang...
But of our experiences, good opposed to bad and being defined, how do we witness and not react when in order to survive we need to take an action, that desire to live is an instinct, you do not want to suppress that instinct you want to use that instinct as a tool for protection and provision.
Here we have written:
You wrote:
You use the word "should" [have to suffer]. The word suggest a rule like one should do this or should not do that. A rule gets imposed from a judgment of what is good and what is bad. If bad exists, then one has to separate oneself from the experience and that ensures the continued existence of bad. In the relative [illusory] world there has to be opposites.
I respond:
"Should" there be a rule? Should there be any avoidable suffering at all? If we share a story and many people share their stories everyday, but should we not listen and record ambiguous information at best... Say we listen to so many stories that they all begin to sound the same. We record what we thought we hear, not actually what we have been told, and if we don't ensure that our information is correct we could easily make greater future mistakes. These mistakes can be quite devastating and cause a lot of mayhem in the lives of a patient. There are simple ways to double check the information that is recorded especially when dealing with the story of another person. I would suggest to those that do not employ the power of the double check or in other words if an in dependent recording is made hand written then the subject doing the communicating, should be given the ability to double check the notes written for accuracy. What is bad is making decisions on inaccurate information. That leads to additional unnecessary harm.
***But how do we help for even in Zen you construct a plan and then you implement that plan with action.
You wrote:
If one would allow him/herself to accept and witness what is bad, it would be resolved in the here and now consciousness.
I reply:
Okay, let's use an example of a person driving a large vehicle three times or more the size of the average vehicle and weighing 15 times more. To drive such a large object requires a level of skill that is only given to those who can successfully obtain a license to drive a vehicle of that size. Now let's say that an obstruction to the flow of traffic is the result of the failure of the state to provide adequate room for passage or egress. In Zen you see you witness and you form a plan of action, or you do nothing? What will be will be, live and let live.
But it is inevitable if not once before or twice or even three times one day you know the result will be that the screeching tires you have heard before of people trying to avoid a collision with your large vehicle one day it will end up that you will be involved in a collision. Who is at fault? Is there a trap set for the licensed operator of the truck? Just let it go, it was all an illusion your family was not your family, your friends were not your friends, your affiliation with the church was all just an illusion. Let them go, don't worry about your children or your elders, they are all illusions, for nothing is real... But there is something very real and that is the false testimony to convict the truck driver of another person's conduct and to hold on to the truth of that, is bad, for that is bad.
At the right time and at the right moment you pick up your arm and stop the intrusion of harm, you react in just the right manner as required. That is also very Zen.
You say:
As a therapist, this is the technique I use with my clients with their meditation, to bring them back to the here and now so that they can transcend their discomfort (karma). So the plan is constructed but then destroyed as consciousness can let go of the relative.
I reply:
Relative or relatives, it is really the reality that we have to watch as our world is tangible, we can touch and we can feel things, these physical things are connected to our emotional health and well being. To desire spiritual health and connection should be the goal and aim of the meditation and we should be guided properly to that which we all seek with out causing unnecessary harm. Where harm has been caused it is most likely a toxic source of corruption and that should be marked and exposed so that others do not follow in the same pitfall, the pot holes of life need to be filled in and repaired. We need to lead by example sometimes we are the example and sometimes we can teach by example.
The question still remains who caused the harm, should others be harmed, and can the harm be avoided or can we fix the problem? In reality I think we can, but who is stopping the progress and why?
derek_a (3124) ranked 833 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Hi Gary,
As we get deeper and deeper into this interaction, words become more and more inadequate to describe my responses. I can only say that there is an altered state of consciousness, that is not religious in a conventional sense, but points to an an experience of a connection between all things that is ultimate peace where no-one condemns anyone or anything. Not because they are told not to, but because they feel this is a wholesome way to live and do so spontaneously.
***As you rise and enter into your routine, and find yourself centered in meditation thinking of what this day will bring, who will enter the room and when the phone will ring, you will find a moment that you knew... Is this really true? Will you shake it off or has this happened before?
I do not think of what the day will bring in meditation, I endeavour to focus on the here and now following each breath. In my zazen, the door is closed and with the exception of an emergency, no one will enter. If this does ever happen, then all is zazen and I will be focused to offer the best possible response and support. The phone is turned off. Zazen is "me time" usually lasting 45 minutes to an hour at around 6 am every morning. Because zazen involves training the mind to focus on the moment of now, what went before is no more, only now is known. The rational mind challenges this due to conditioning, but once I recognise this occurs, I bring it back to this moment. For a fuller explanation, I have a webpage that explains more - http://ayrehypnotherapy.com/whymeditate
***A magnetic person can draw and repel, there are two forces, positive and negative, they can work together or against each other, but they always work, pushing or pulling, Yin and Yang...
Yin and Yang, I see as manifestation of the physical world. There is a state of consciousness where both disappear into one. It cannot be reasoned or explained, only experienced. This does not mean that Yin and Yang cease to exist, it's a sort of paradox. They two opposing parts of a contextual whole. For instance, we have the universe, yet this cannot be really be named, it is contextual. To step outside the universe and say, "there it is the universe!" is impossible for we will alway be in the universe. In the context, and the content of the universe is Yin and Yang, yet it is also everywhere contained and containing.
This does not make sense to the rational mind, and if analysed for too long may send one crazy or sane! LOL
***But of our experiences, good opposed to bad and being defined, how do we witness and not react when in order to survive we need to take an action, that desire to live is an instinct, you do not want to suppress that instinct you want to use that instinct as a tool for protection and provision.
Instinct for survival is a real animal instinct. I see that we are much more than animals. In some Zen masters fear of death has been transcended. Again we have to take their word for it unless of course we have transcended that fear also. I have not, but I keep an open mind on it. If I do transcend it in this lifetime, then I will commit to living out my natural life until my body is worn out. Not for any other reason that I am here living.
*** What is bad is making decisions on inaccurate information. That leads to additional unnecessary harm.
My aim in Zen is to transcend accurate and inaccurate, good and bad, sane and insane, clever and foolish. A concept of something is not the thing itself. What is good for one person, may be bad for another. Or this could be an illusion because of judgement. Or not. If we aim for a single destination from different places, each journey is going to look different. A Christian will find different scenery to a Buddhist, a Jew different again, an agnostic differently.
Some may say that we are returning to the Source. Some say through many incarnations, some say through prayer, some say through meditation. Nobody on earth absolutely knows this destination, that is why Zen has a precept of non-intereference with the beliefs of others.
***Okay, let's use an example of a person driving a large vehicle three times or more the size of the average vehicle and weighing 15 times more. To drive such a large object requires a level of skill that is only given to those who can successfully obtain a license to drive a vehicle of that size. Now let's say that an obstruction to the flow of traffic is the result of the failure of the state to provide adequate room for passage or egress. In Zen you see you witness and you form a plan of action, or you do nothing? What will be will be, live and let live.
In Zen you do nothing about that which cannot be understood or altered. Zen practitioners develop awareness of what is and not blindly crash their vehicles into other vehicles or walk into doors etc. We learn skills like everyone else, but we aim to look at the essence behind the skill - the creation. Martial arts are very skillful and Zen based. In Ki Aikido, that I practised for many years, it was about becoming one with your opponent so that ultimately self and other disappears. It becomes graceful almost like dancing where there is no winner and no loser. Just the art itself.
In Zen meditation there are many questions that have no logical answer. These are known a koans to which the only answer it the whole self.
***We need to lead by example sometimes we are the example and sometimes we can teach by example.
Exactly. This is very Zen. A Zen master would say that we sit in meditation for a thousand years, or until every last blade of grass has reached enlightenment. They are not rational fellows.:-)
Some quantum physicists did an experiment that where in a town 11 people practised intense meditation, the violent crime rate went down across the region. When the meditators moved to another town, it slowly went back up again in the first town they left but reduced in the second town. This was repeated many time with the same results. Therefore, there's evidence to suggest that consciousness can link to other consciousness. This is all the Zen masters have said for thousands of years, that by sitting in zazen, your task is to transform the world. I found that interesting.
***The question still remains who caused the harm, should others be harmed, and can the harm be avoided or can we fix the problem?
Yesterday is no more, we can only contemplate it. Tomorrow insn't yet and we can only contemplate tomorrow. We have only now this instance. And right now we can make great difference if we respond. If all is now, the future is now and if we have an image of something/someone who can do harm, we can neutralise that to a degree, but there are no guarantees.
Zen is not rational and lends itself to practice more than words. If words can inspire, all well and good, but if they can't, then non-interference is adopted. We all eventually find reality and none of us will really know it 100% until then. For now we live in a relative world of Yin and Yang. + -
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Hi Derek,
I can explain why the Zen practitioners made a difference in each town that they centered or meditated in.
This is the very practice that I use and center around my life... If I as a person see that particular language leads to violence and the harmony or balance is broken by the words that we speak to each other then my not participating in that language changes the environment, not just the people around me but he whole world around me changes. My world is different than their world, less stress and less harm to myself. This is a key point to survival in a hostile world.
Now I would like to know why did you dismiss this part or paragraph of my writing to you and why did you frame my experience around being in a violent accident or walking into doors? Do you think I struck an object? In fact I was not struck at all, like your dancing with the opposition, the grace and skill and ability to not get involved in a collision that is the eye of a master. I can prove that I was not struck, so why should I be punished for something that I did not do?
Read this again:
But it is inevitable if not once before or twice or even three times one day you know the result will be that the screeching tires you have heard before of people trying to avoid a collision with your large vehicle one day it will end up that you will be involved in a collision. Who is at fault? Is there a trap set for the licensed operator of the truck? Just let it go, it was all an illusion your family was not your family, your friends were not your friends, your affiliation with the church was all just an illusion. Let them go, don't worry about your children or your elders, they are all illusions, for nothing is real... But there is something very real and that is the false testimony to convict the truck driver of another person's conduct and to hold on to the truth of that, is bad, for that is bad.
I was involved in a collision, I was not an object struck, I was a witness to the collision behind my vehicle as the result of avoiding the vehicle that had entered into my zone or path of egress. I had to stop to avoid a collision with a person that was ignorant of the room I required, the other person was preoccupied in conversation with his passenger and distracted from stopping at the appropriate mark or line that is not forgiving to begin with the state has the intersection marked to the minimum allowance for large vehicles and my vehicle is the maximum sized vehicle having difficulty staying within the boundaries and requiring extra forgiveness if I can't stay inside the boundaries. So if I can't proceed do I back up and make a better cut? That would not be a safe maneuver for such a large vehicle, the law is clear that those people in my path have to make room for me to execute my maneuver. I'm not arrogant, it is the law! They have to make room for me to make my turn, and if they have to back up it is them that will back up and I can require an officer of the law to enforce the law. That is a fact and if any one would like to argue with me, they are welcome to waste their time, and the time of my employer. I get paid by the hour and I can wait for the police to come to clear my obstruction or the obstruction can clear itself. I did nothing to block and obstruct my self, but because of my sheer size and maneuverability if my path is blocked or I am prevented from executing my turn then all of us will have to wait until I can complete my business. I am an obstruction not by my will or desire but because I have been obstructed.
Do you see the simple repair?
Remove the truck and driver and remove the problem... But how does that help the progress of our development?
Mark the intersection appropriately and make sure the police enforce the markings of the intersection. That will reduce the obstructions, move the traffic and reduce the fuel consumed just idling away going no where...
Which path is better for our planet and our environment and which do you choose?
derek_a (3124) ranked 833 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
***Now I would like to know why did you dismiss this part or paragraph of my writing to you
I am not sure what paragraph you are referring to here. I did not intentionally dismiss anything you said but I will only respond to something I feel I can make a contribution to.
***and why did you frame my experience around being in a violent accident or walking into doors? Do you think I struck an object?
Again I did no intentionally frame your experience around being in a violent accident or think you struck or did not strike an object. When you mentioned the large truck, I thought it was an analogy or example. I did not realize that is was your truck you were talking about. I merely write what comes into consciousness as I read. It may or may not be reasonable at times. It is the nature of Zen that I feel you were querying me about. It is not reasonable, so there is no "why" for me.
***But it is inevitable if not once before or twice or even three times one day you know the result will be that the screeching tires you have heard before of people trying to avoid a collision with your large vehicle one day it will end up that you will be involved in a collision. Who is at fault? Is there a trap set for the licensed operator of the truck?
To suggest a trap was set for the licensed operator of a truck, is to suggest some sort of pre-destiny. I do not believe in pre-destiny. I don't really believe in anything. I was providing you with an example of how Zen masters by "doing nothing" are not being ignorant of potential dangers.
***Just let it go, it was all an illusion your family was not your family, your friends were not your friends, your affiliation with the church was all just an illusion. Let them go, don't worry about your children or your elders, they are all illusions, for nothing is real... But there is something very real and that is the false testimony to convict the truck driver of another person's conduct and to hold on to the truth of that, is bad, for that is bad.
Again I would say, I was providing you with and example that Zen masters by "doing nothing" are not being ignorant of potential dangers and they fully recognize their attachments to others in the world such as friends and family. Zen work is about detachment - which does not hold the same meaning as "not caring" but aspires to true compassion.
***I was involved in a collision, I was not an object struck, I was a witness to the collision behind my vehicle as the result of avoiding the vehicle that had entered into my zone or path of egress. I had to stop to avoid a collision with a person that was ignorant of the room I required, the other person was preoccupied in conversation with his passenger and distracted from stopping at the appropriate mark or line that is not forgiving to begin with the state has the intersection marked to the minimum allowance for large vehicles and my vehicle is the maximum sized vehicle having difficulty staying within the boundaries and requiring extra forgiveness if I can't stay inside the boundaries. So if I can't proceed do I back up and make a better cut? That would not be a safe maneuver for such a large vehicle, the law is clear that those people in my path have to make room for me to execute my maneuver. I'm not arrogant, it is the law! They have to make room for me to make my turn, and if they have to back up it is them that will back up and I can require an officer of the law to enforce the law. That is a fact and if any one would like to argue with me, they are welcome to waste their time, and the time of my employer. I get paid by the hour and I can wait for the police to come to clear my obstruction or the obstruction can clear itself. I did nothing to block and obstruct my self, but because of my sheer size and maneuverability if my path is blocked or I am prevented from executing my turn then all of us will have to wait until I can complete my business. I am an obstruction not by my will or desire but because I have been obstructed.
I apologize for not realizing that you were citing your own experience as that of a truck-driver. And that is something that as a driver I recognize. In the UK it is written on the back of trucks "Long Vehicle" and all drivers know that if the road is narrow or twisting not to over-take these vehicles as they need the whole width of the road to maneuver. Many drivers are always in a hurry though and accidents occur. Fault is usually assessed by insurance companies where there is no injury or when there is injury that needs an ambulance, the police are called and vehicles, drivers breath-alysed and then it is ascertained who is at fault and the perpetrator is dragged into court.
My father who taught people on Heavy Good Vehicles in the Army, taught me to drive on an old beat-up truck and his motto was that it makes no difference who's fault it is if you end up seriously injured or dead. And as we set off on a lesson when I was a kid he would simply say, "Derek. Don't hit anything!"
These days, I apply Zen to my driving by focusing and remaining conscious of road conditions - I cannot arrive at my destination before I arrive and speeding at but minutes to a 20-mile journey, maybe half-an-hour to a 200-mile journey at best and at worst, I will simply not arrive at all.
From your description, I feel that through focusing on what is going on, you became aware of a choice to stop hitting a vehicle and as a result of that a collision occurred behind your vehicle. If you had chosen to hit the ignorant person's vehicle with your truck, there probably would have been an injury.
I feel quite strongly about commitment and agreement, and if I am driving a vehicle on the roads, then I am agreeing to keep to the laws of the road, if I do not, I will reap the karma of that refusal. For example, people I know have tried to blame everything but themselves for getting a speeding ticket. The speed signs weren't clear, they probably say. I just feel that if you focus and drive with awareness you would know the speed limit. If I keep my word and agreement, life flows so much better.
***Do you see the simple repair?
***Remove the truck and driver and remove the problem... But how does that help the progress of our development?
No, I would not say remove the truck and driver. Trucks get supplies to where they need to be and it works.
***Which path is better for our planet and our environment and which do you choose?
Just as you can have Zen and the art of meditation, you can have Zen and the art of truck-driving. Zen is nothing more than the expansion of consciousness through meditation. Meditation is only focusing and concentrating on what is going on and there would probably be a lot less road casualties if people did what they did, drive the vehicle consciously and use mental discipline and not become distracted.
My path, if I was to get to choose a path would be in the training of drivers. It is the mind that is not focused on what is going on in the here and now, the mind that is dreaming of the destination before it gets there, that is the problem. In some cases it is the ego-mind that wants to race that other driver is the problem. In Zen without being influenced by ego-desire, the mind will be calm, clear and efficient.
As for the environment, I do what I can. I use my car only for essential journeys these days. My mileage is right down on what it used to be. The air is definitely a lot cleaner around our city these days as cars are polluting less and less. But I leave the science to those who understand it better than I. + -
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
I think my point is that if we mark the road way properly and get people to be conscious of the markings then we might be able to save fuel and time which means that we save time and energy. It is a cost that we all bear.
Yes, we need trucks to move our products from point 'A' to point 'B' so we can not remove all of the truck drivers and their trucks we need them to keep our societies alive.
What I see that we can do, and this is applying Zen logic, is to see the here and now and to create a path to peace. What we can do is we can make the path for the truck less restrictive so that we open the arteries of our infrastructure and keep the flow of traffic moving.
Have you ever had the experience of sitting at a traffic light that is red for you and green for no one else coming from any other direction? I mean really, sitting at a red light for an intersection where there is no cross traffic. The people behind the programing of the traffic light are holding up traffic for no reason at all other than to waste time and energy. It gets me to thinking that at such situations maybe it would be better to shut down the engine, or put the vehicle in reverse as you might get to the destination faster moving backwards.
Being removed from the situation is one thing, having to deal with liars is another, and in my personal experience so many liars came out of the wood work and that is really offensive. The depth and breadth of the destructive behaviors that I have uncovered by going through this experience has been phenomenal...
There are so many driving tips that I could give you to make you a better driver, staying in the now is the most important, breathing is the second thing, if you're not breathing driving becomes dangerous for others. Seeing where you are going to go and making a plan for worst case scenarios being prepared in the event of an unexpected occurrence. These are all mental meanderings and things that need to be thought about before you even get behind the wheel then to know how to operate the machinery or equipment and if all that is understood then to put to practice the skills that you will need to actually maneuver the vehicle. You have to be mentally prepared with the knowledge of how the machine works and then proficient in the use of the vehicle.
The people in charge of maintaining the infrastructure have the obligation to make the highways safe for passage of all vehicles or resources and pollution will be magnified or multiplied. It is not rocket science like I said before. We have vehicles that regularly use a particular intersection based less than one half mile away from the intersection and we make the intersection difficult for such large vehicles to proceed through safely? What part of cause no harm do they not understand... When the truck is prevented from egress through an intersection harm is being caused. Not by the truck driver but most likely to the traffic around the truck.
The real question in the grand scheme of all life existing on this planet how important is this topic of discussion? Who really cares?
People will rally to save the rain forest, they will rally to protest Christian beliefs, or the Islamic bombings, or Terrorism, but will the care about the perjury and prosecution of an innocent truck driver that couldn't maneuver through a truck trap (an intersection designed to cause a truck driver difficulty). While the worst is that clearly the issue of that moment was the truck not able to proceed through the intersection how did the truck driver get prosecuted for the actions and words of another individual?
Being in the here and now? Who was in the here and now? Who witnessed and recorded all of the details and can create a moving picture of words that clearly describes an event that should never have happened and then worst of all how the innocent was prosecuted for a crime that was not committed by me the individual falsely accused of another person's conduct. The question at this point is how did I get accused and by whom and why?
Probably people jumped to conclusions with out supporting information, the facts were not researched and a deposition was not taken along with a proper debriefing of the truck drive and the man that cause the event in the first place that man who had crossed the line and blocked the path of the truck.
This has happened in the past, it was real, and the results of the injustices to follow have greatly harmed my life and my family.
Am I bitter? Yes and No, I know who will be loyal to me, and I don't expect loyalty from anyone including my family, but I appreciate the respect and loyalty when it is shown and or offered.
Peace is always a state of mind, being emotional and having passion is a part of being human.
The process to bringing peace into our world is to be at peace with ourselves and our situations, but at some point, you do have to acknowledge that some things are just plain wrong, as perjury and setting traps for innocent victims are just two of many examples.
Use the Zen techniques, but be aware that there may be a time that you are called or a call can be made to expose corruption where the corruption is a pollutant causing harm to us and others.
Should you do nothing you can expect more of the same.
I think when given the chance to act we should step up to the plate make known the circumstances of a situation and expect that there will be change so that we can break the cycles of abuse.
It is abusive to go through what I have gone through and it takes a strong mind to deal with all of the pitfalls. I thank the people that have provided some of the background for my philosophy and their teachings. I especially thank my father who with all of this witness to an accident and life in general he did commit suicide and I wonder how much of his decision to do so was fueled by my situation going through the trauma and stress of multiple events that cascaded from one act of trying to fix a problem that should not exist?
Could the poorly marked intersection lead to a man's suicide or have any bearing on that fact?
One more question. How do you make a terrorist?
derek_a (3124) ranked 833 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
***I think my point is that if we mark the road way properly and get people to be conscious of the markings then we might be able to save fuel and time which means that we save time and energy. It is a cost that we all bear.
Yes this is true. Road lanes tend to be marked quite clearly in the UK on the main motorways (I think you call them freeways). When you get to cities, the markings quickly wear away at busy junctions with heavy traffic use and whilst locals know the markings without them being there, visitors to the cities may get confused especially if they are from rural districts where there is little or no lane discipline.
***Have you ever had the experience of sitting at a traffic light that is red for you and green for no one else coming from any other direction? I mean really, sitting at a red light for an intersection where there is no cross traffic. The people behind the programming of the traffic light are holding up traffic for no reason at all other than to waste time and energy. It gets me to thinking that at such situations maybe it would be better to shut down the engine, or put the vehicle in reverse as you might get to the destination faster moving backwards.
Yes, we have crazy traffic controls over here too and many drivers get a ticket through losing their patience and jumping the light. In fact one junction near with loads of traffic lights at every intersection whether the adjoining road was busy or not, was planned out by a man who didn't drive a vehicle at all, he rides a cycle.
***Being removed from the situation is one thing, having to deal with liars is another, and in my personal experience so many liars came out of the wood work and that is really offensive. The depth and breadth of the destructive behaviors that I have uncovered by going through this experience has been phenomenal...
Yes I will agree with you. It is easy for me to comment on anybody else's situation, but unless I can be in the person's skin, I cannot know what they have to contend with. As a therapist, such detachment can be valuable providing that the client comes to realization of what they need to do themselves and is not over-influenced by my feelings/judgements, that I have to hold in check.
***There are so many driving tips that I could give you to make you a better driver, staying in the now is the most important, breathing is the second thing, if you're not breathing driving becomes dangerous for others.
It is interesting that you should mention breathing, because that is the basis of zazen (Zen meditation) is to follow the breath. We also focus in the concentration in the lower abdomen just below the navel (hara) and breathe deeply into this area. This produces a clarity of mind and calmness. You seem to be practicing a form of meditation. In Zen, rhythm seems to play its part too. I remember the old beat up truck I learned to drive on all those years ago had what we Brits call a crash gearbox. That meant I had to learn to time my gear changes with clutch depression or it would not get it into gear. So concentration was essential at all time. My dad also taught me how to maintain the vehicle daily and weekly to get to know it better. It was an army thing.
*** The real question in the grand scheme of all life existing on this planet how important is this topic of discussion? Who really cares?
I would say that you and I care right here and now Gary, as we are having this discussion. Plus anybody else who is following this topic may care. In my Zen (each of us has our own Zen), there is a precept of supporting and helping others whenever there is opportunity. Not to judge the importance of their concerns but to engage with them in their concerns. For instance, I do not drive your truck or live in your life, but I can choose to take the time to communicate with you and perhaps with our sharing we can both make a little more sense of this world.
***People will rally to save the rain forest, they will rally to protest Christian beliefs, or the Islamic bombings, or Terrorism, but will the care about the perjury and prosecution of an innocent truck driver that couldn't maneuver through a truck trap (an intersection designed to cause a truck driver difficulty). While the worst is that clearly the issue of that moment was the truck not able to proceed through the intersection how did the truck driver get prosecuted for the actions and words of another individual?
Exactly. In universal terms a small pebble found on a beach is as important as Mt. Everest. Both are mere specks in the universe. We, as humans, create what is important and if we can do that, we can also undo it.
If someone falls and breaks a leg, the leg is broken and focusing on the fall doesn't mend it focusing on what is actual (i.e. the broken leg) will fix it. We can then examine what caused the fall, perhaps a pothole in the ground, and fix that. But it rarely gets done just like the intersection that has caused you all the problems. It is probably still there as it was before. Is the truck-trap deliberate? If so, something needs to be done, but how do you get the right people to something about it? Would they be prepared to? Could you make enough noise to cause enough pressure on them? Or is that all too late now?
***Being in the here and now? Who was in the here and now? Who witnessed and recorded all of the details and can create a moving picture of words that clearly describes an event that should never have happened and then worst of all how the innocent was prosecuted for a crime that was not committed by me the individual falsely accused of another person's conduct. The question at this point is how did I get accused and by whom and why?
This is an area that I am not familiar with - American traffic laws and what happened on that day. Here on most city junctions there are traffic cameras and if I had been involved in such an incident I would have been asking to see the film footage to establish what had happened.
***This has happened in the past, it was real, and the results of the injustices to follow have greatly harmed my life and my family.
I am sorry to hear this. If there is nothing more that can be done with the incident, I would suggest working on letting it go. Easier said than done I know. But it is often said that changes can be opportunities and if you can bear in mind about the universe analogy, where nothing is more important than anything else, the incident could be truly relegated to the past. If not then it will die naturally in the course of time, but this can be slow. Before anything can change, one has to be willing for that change to occur, and we cannot force ourselves to be willing.
***Peace is always a state of mind, being emotional and having passion is a part of being human.
Yes, and peace comes from completing the past in our minds.
***Use the Zen techniques, but be aware that there may be a time that you are called or a call can be made to expose corruption where the corruption is a pollutant causing harm to us and others.
Indeed, then there is the choice. Many people will back away from the discomfort, but some pioneers will push to make a difference.
***I think when given the chance to act we should step up to the plate make known the circumstances of a situation and expect that there will be change so that we can break the cycles of abuse.
Yes, I agree and you would then be working with truth.
I am sorry to hear about your father and I hope that our conversation here has helped you in some way. I have lost both my parents who were in their early 70s, both from heart conditions, and I know the pain of that loss, but I cannot even begin to know the grief that would follow a suicide.
I remember speaking to a spiritual teacher who believed in reincarnation many years ago and she said to me something that rang very true for some reason. She said, "We are not given anything in this life that we cannot handle. We have chosen to come and have our earthly experiences to learn spiritual lessons." This may have been right or wrong, I cannot know as I do not judge the beliefs of others, but I have found her philosophy very supportive.
***One more question. How do you make a terrorist?
I would not know how to do it, but I should imagine it involves brainwashing and propaganda. Getting them to believe that whatever cause they are fighting for is more desirable than their own life and those of others, including those they love. Rated! !
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
22 hours ago
Very good Derek,
I thought that we would be on the same page,
To answer a few of your queries, with a simple thought, while you do not know American traffic laws nor are you familiar with our judicial system. You do know of our Constitution and what we call our Bill of Rights. These are known to you correct?
So as I am going through this process of the accident, and the events that happen shortly after that accident going through our local court system to appeal to our county court, and after an unfair county court hearing of which is a violation to the Federal Constitution, the County being a part of the State Court system in my State we are really called a the State of Pennsylvania a Commonwealth. For some reason that is a very important distinction. Personally we are inside the boundaries which are marks on a map that correlate to the land that is associated to the boundaries drawn and there are 50 States of which we are just one. Some larger and some smaller, I don't get the big deal about the Commonwealth thing but for some technical reason it is important to make sure when talking about our State that we refer to it as a Commonwealth.
Well I'm suing this Commonwealth for the harm caused to me and my estrangement of my family, it is something that I can do to apply pressure to the right people that have the responsibility to protect the public and have failed to provide for our safe passage and safe haven. (See Bill of Rights) So the law suit is for what I consider a lot of money but not nearly as much as I think the case is really worth for how can anyone put a price tag on the lost relationships and I'm not talking just about the harm that my children have suffered, but also what my spouse went through and the estrangement from the extended family and all of the people that I thought were my friends as members of the Church that I was excommunicated from. How can anyone put a price tag on that? That is priceless! Worth more than all the silver and gold that can be found on this planet.
How could so many people have lied and thought the worst of me and how could my former spouse get all caught up in being so abusive?
I never thought that things could happen like this, it certainly is not what we are taught in school. Somebody lied and it looks like everyone lied.
So now how to move on...
File in Federal court against the Commonwealth and try to ring the bells and make some noise bring some attention to the corruption that is so evident. This is a positive thing that could reap huge rewards and be beneficial in helping others.
Here is another thing.
What enterprise could I begin with this experience? How can I turn these lemons into lemonade? Your spiritual teacher uses a common theme found in many religions, GOD gives to us what we can handle. I have to add that People bring into our lives both joy and trouble. It is good for you to understand and there is more that I would like to share with you... I feel it best that I hold somethings for my own memory and future plans, then in the future you might fully understand.
I'm thinking of being enterprising in elaborating and collaborating with people who can do my story justice, I'm thinking this could be huge... I just have to cross over a couple of hurdles first.
I think my track and sports training used a lot of Zen techniques, including singing.
Breathing correctly and all that has been taught to me, and it was the advice of a co-worker who had the honor of taking me to the local police barracks where I needed to demonstrate my driving ability and skills to pre-trip the vehicle to acquire my Commercial Drivers License (CDL). The last advice I heard came from my co-worker she said, "Don't forget to breathe." The best piece of advice anyone could ever receive... It felt good to use that advice in our conversation here.
It took me several years to finally get the opportunity to be tested and I was very excited to show off my skills or proficiency and with her advice I did very well passing the test first time through. I like being tested and proving that I know what I actually claim to know.
I like finding out that I know more things than I thought that I knew...
Peace to you and yours,
Blessings,
Sincerely,
Gary
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
22 hours ago
Oh' Derek???
I forgot, how you would make a terrorist is not a complete guide, you have to break a person down, taking away everything that is of value in their life, their dreams and their family, the future all of their hopes and desires. This causes depression and illness and that illness leads to dangerous thoughts. All you need is the wrong teacher a person with bad intentions and it would be easy to manipulate the mind of the distraught to do something very drastic.
To make a terrorist you need certain conditions to be aligned over a long period of time. You need abused people who are oppressed with no hope for tomorrow to rebel against as many people as possible. Most terrorists commit these acts because they perceive an injustice that they want to see ended.
I certainly don't want nor do I desire to be a terrorist, even though I suffer from abuse and I'm continually being emotionally abused.
I will rise above, and I want to help other people rise above the flawed teachings of those that would encourage terrorism or suicide.
How sad for my dad, yes indeed...
And he was encouraged by the woman through what she had told me and other members of our family.
So I am in two current court cases... And a third is pending and dependent upon these first two getting settled properly.
5. Gnosisquest (764) ranked 1,536 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
The picture I get is one of despair; good people all over the world try and do the right thing and fall under the umbrella of ignorance. Empathy and love are the natural human emotions which set us apart from the animals of the planet, yet organized religion puts stipulations on these emotions. People we know have to meet criteria which an organization demands before we can appreciate their qualities and love. These organizations; based on ancient legends and myths which have been rewritten have not understood what the basis of life is for they depend on illusions for their dogma.
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
You know that I am under your wing. I do so agree...
We have made for ourselves a problem for others and we need to look again at the foundations that these organizations are built upon.
There is a whole plethora of information of people being abused and nothing is being done to help the victims.
They talk a lot but they do nothing.
They are the ones that have created the mayhem,
They have the power to make the world a better place.
So now we have to find a way to fix what is broken so that we can end the suffering.
How does one begin?
Where do we start?
Once we fix ourselves,
Then we can help others,
How many see?
Simple things,
Guided,
As is...
6. messageme (592)
5 days ago
Hummm....the picture I get....Every single household is dysfunctional. I guess if it is an every day thing and someone is never happy or always yelling at the kids then maybe, but otherwise everyone has their bad days. But I still think every family is dysfunctional in some way.
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Not so true,
There are many families that live in peace and harmony with each other, of course we all have good and bad days, but the normal in the realm of study the normal would be of one tight line on the graph while the abnormal or dysfunctional would create a dramatic curve.
We needed to first set a base line and separate the normal from the abnormal, almost like a judgment. Once we find the point of dysfunction for the abnormal we could then address a cure or begin a repair and maintenance plan to keep the troubled areas lubricated and functioning.
Really the picture that came to me was that of a wing... One wing reaching out to another...
7. nannacroc (1885) ranked 1,308 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Organised religion has always caused more problems than it solved. It divides the people of the world into categories and they use their god as an excuse not to be loving towards their fellow man. I'd best stop now as I get annoyed about religions.
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Heeheeeheee,
Yep that is not funny but I soooo, understand what you mean...
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8. nannacroc (1885) ranked 1,308 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
I forgot to mention that our family is totally dysfunctional, non-religious and very, very loving. That'll do for me.
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
There are many ways that this line could be interpreted, I'll take the high road and identify the fact that you show empathy and wisdom with Love that is a very positive attribute that I see.
So being part of a non-conforming dysfunction, the path you are on could lead you to better things beyond all human understanding.
Eternal Peace is a Blessing,
As for the low road? Why go there?
9. suspenseful (14132) ranked 688 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
It is not about organized religion. It is against hypocrites. You are assuming that everyone who attends a Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, Reformed, Lutheran, Episcopalian, Pentacostal, etc. church are all hypocrites and all who go out in the field and sit down under a tree, all who stay at home and listen to Benny Hinn or other TV evangelists are pure devoted children of God? Wrong.
Oh and hate - does that person hate evil or hate good. If a person is full of hatred against the evil that men do (like against Hitler) does that mean that the person should now love evil?
These someones are infected with original sin. All men and woman have these tendencies. It is only by God entering their hearts through the preaching of the Word that Christ can enter their hearts and get them to fight against their evil nature. Would you now deny them this opportunity?
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
Hi Suspenseful,
You wrote:
It is not about organized religion. It is against hypocrites. You are assuming that everyone who attends a Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, Reformed, Lutheran, Episcopalian, Pentacostal, etc. church are all hypocrites and all who go out in the field and sit down under a tree, all who stay at home and listen to Benny Hinn or other TV evangelists are pure devoted children of God? Wrong.
My reply:
You missed a few, the Mosques of the Islam faith, the teachings of the Rabbis in the Temples of Israel, where ever they gather together to infect people to war against the evils inside the hearts of other members of society... You could go further, the leaders of gangs are also preachers of a religion, The leaders of movements that incite violence, terrorism, acts of torture, these are all based on a religious ideology that is built upon a false foundation.
You also wrote:
Oh and hate - does that person hate evil or hate good. If a person is full of hatred against the evil that men do (like against Hitler) does that mean that the person should now love evil?
I reply: Wasn't Hitler a religious zealot full of religiosity? The people were sheeple following Hitler who built a faith upon a false foundation. I believe it was right to stop the advancement of the Fabricated Ideology of Hitler, but we should not have stopped there... Don't you agree?
You wrote:
These someones are infected with original sin. --If you say so, that is your belief.
All men and woman have these tendencies. -- Please expand on this thought.
It is only by God entering their hearts through the preaching of the Word that Christ can enter their hearts and get them to fight against their evil nature. -- What are the fruits of this practice that you speak of? Please show me some evidence of how this works.
Would you now deny them this opportunity? -- I would not be against an institution that will work for the benefit of mankind, but I see no proof of a benefit to our civilization as the framework has been currently constructed. An opportunity is a gift that keeps giving, what I see is a symbol of destruction, how can you call bad good and be a witness instead of actively involved, this does not bring about justice, what is seen is corruption.
Remember one thing,
GOD is Love
To define the Love of GOD remember GOD Loves Justice, if there is no justice there is no love and the love of GOD can not be found.
10. zukepr (11861) ranked 2,936 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
You may be onto something here
organized religion has been the cause for many wars and vile acts
Its often the root of arguements the cause of crime
someone always thinks that their religion is better but doesnt know how to behave in a way that reflects it
through out history bad things have happened often to innocent people in the name of religion
the religion changes but the vile unspeakable acts are basically the same
if you ask me organised religion is the root of all evil
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zukepr (11861) ranked 2,936 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
what picture do I see?
a huge canvas splattered wildly with the browns of old and reds of new blood that has been spilled in the name of one God or the other. + -
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
My religious teachings tell me that Money is the root of all evil;)*evil grin*
Really to be encouraged to make as much money as you can and to give a tithe to the Church for the great Blessings that their GOD has stowed upon the disciple or follower really rubbed me raw. While teaching how greed and corruption was a sin, there they were with their hands out for more and more... But I have no more, I'm all wiped out, now I've become useless and the truth be known, they thought I would be working sweeping floors somewhere by now.
I meet former members of my Church and the first question is always where are you working now? You should see the surprised look on their faces when I tell them I am still with the same employer that I had been with when I was a member of their congregation. Their jaws always drop... Now I must admit that I lost my spouse, and just recently my contact with my children, not by court order but by the wishes of my ex-spouse... One day I hope to turn her eyes inside out so that she can once again see the man that I really am, and much to her dismay and loss... I can see a difficult future for her. Her future is still a time away, maybe 5-15 years but then like a ton of bricks, she will know as she searches her soul and her life flashes before her eyes, she will see what she has become, the mirror will not lie...
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
5 days ago
This looks like a BR to me... Wait and see...
zukepr (11861) ranked 2,936 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
wow awesome!
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11. neuronic (172) ranked 7,548 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
There are no guidelines that can help anyone if they're not about to respect and follow them. Even if someone has problem with their own personality it's usually because they chose to be this way. What I've learned in my life, that people who have a lot of problems will suddenly start saying some metaphysical stuff when they're talking about themselves. If you cannot be noble and honest to yourself, then nothing else can save you. Religion, sects, whatnot, it doesn't matter, it's up to people. Once they are under influence of one religion and if they're breaking the very foundations of it, it's just like spitting to your own face. Ironically.
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
It sounds to me like what you witnessed was people being brainwashed to look for the terrorist never realizing the person that they were spitting at was in fact their own reflection in a mirror.
Yep, I noticed that also...
So have you seen any pictures in the words?
Maybe the presentation of a part of a bird?
Like maybe a wing?
Or the tip of a wing?
I'd look beyond the text into the nothingness to grasp my meaning,
I'd be Looking here and the OP to be sure, but then, maybe nothing exists or something exists, and it wasn't noticed...
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
That post wasn't as good as the OP
I think it worked better in the OP
But hey' I'm still trying, maybe I can fix it...
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Nope, the picture isn't working very well,
Not at this hour...
Maybe I'll try again later...
neuronic (172) ranked 7,548 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
I'm not sure what your trying to say, but if your referring to stegano challenge then I don't have time for this stuff right now:) Rated! !
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
22 hours ago
Nope, I don't know what that challenge thing is so I'm pretty sure that isn't what I'm trying to get at...
Did you ever notice pictures created by the words of a post? If you look at the post from a distance not reading the post but looking at the shapes that the words create, that is what I was trying to do. To make a shape or picture out of my words like an artist would draw a picture. Actually it would work two ways, the picture that you see and the picture that you read as you read the words written they also can form a picture in your mind.
Do you know see with your minds eye?
12. rogue13xmen13 (5970) ranked 4,223 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
A mental meltdown is what I see. It doesn't surprise me. The Catholic church nearly made me lose my sanity. My whole family was all about church and prayer, but they were more dysfunctional than the family down the street. My dad was Agnostic (like I am) and my mother was a liberal Catholic (she really has no clue how close to a Theist or an Agnostic she really is). My grandmother was Catholic to a T, but her daughters all turned out to have some psychological issues because of my grandmother and my drunken grandfather (he was drunk and sometimes abusive). My mother has a problem with spending too much money and her sister is always a nervous wreak (which is why she nearly miscarried my cousin and the reason why she did miscarry the last two children she wanted to have).
When I left the church, I felt good, a weight had been lifted off of my shoulders. I could make my own choices and do what my heart tells me, not what the church tells me is right.
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Your story is not unique,
The line of a song song that just popped into my mind, "You are one of my kind"
Pleased to meet you and thank you for sharing...
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13. cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
The picture you paint is equally valid of someone who is not involved in organized religion.
Organized religion per se does not cause mental breakdown. Many hundreds of millions of people are involved in organized religion, and do not suffer from your list. And if some are, it is not factually correct to state that it is as a direct result of their being involved in organized religion.
Happy myLotting!
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
I'm sorry to say that there is plenty of evidence to prove how dangerous Organized Religion is...
Just imagine all the good that we could do if we applied our efforts constructively?
We could end world hunger we could house each and every person and we could provide harmony and peace.
The divisions are wrong, the books are divided wrong everything is wrong as it is currently framed on a false foundation.
May your eyes open and see the true reality of what has come to pass because it has failed miserably...
cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
The failure to end world hunger is not a failure of organized religion. Look at the countries where hunger and famines occur. Take Zimbabwe for instance ... that country's misfortune is due to one man. Religious groups around the world are actually trying to alleviate pain and suffering. Their religion often inspires them to do positive things, and without any "prosletyzing".
Religion and pain/misfortune do not necessarily go hand in hand.
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Where did the one man get his philosophy? What spawned the Evil in his mind?
Truthfully that evil could have come from nothing,
Some people decide to wake up one day and become Evil.
Religion and Politic along with Philosophy have nothing to do with the Evil that lurks inside the mind and heart of people. It actually could be a better case to claim that religion plants the seed for evil. That would be another in depth and long topic.
My point is true, even if the majority of people currently disagree, it is only because they do not know the truth.
You people pray for a religious revival and here you have the opportunity to do good and you see that what is given is called evil by you who only profit from the veil that covers the truth.
How do I know this?
My personal experience? Maybe, maybe a word. Maybe the WORD!
A word that you don't know, obviously well...
cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Im sorry man, but that last part of the discussion made no sense whatsoever. Can you perhaps try to explain it in a different way? + -
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
You cited Zimbabwe as an example, the leader is one man who has a bad philosophy.
Then I told you that I know a truth that you are not familiar with, I know something as a result of my personal experience that the majority of Christians have been praying for and when the hour comes for them to embrace the good they call it bad.
They the Christians refuse me and call me bad.
Why? Again I ask you to refer back to the discussion that I am engaged with on this thread in response to a reply from Derek...
It is a long read but it gets to the root of my personal experience. Maybe after reading that you will better understand.
If not I can link you to volumes of my writings and maybe after reading that you will understand.
Here is just another thought for your understanding, if you keep in mind all of the analogies that you have read from the Bible, look for parallels to my personal experience.
I feel like a living Bible story.
cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Your personal experience is not that of others. While you may have experienced negativity from some people who proclaim themselves religious, it cannot be said that all is done in the name of religion.
This sort of logic is fundamentally flawed, and does not serve any good.
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Don't be so dismissive...
My personal experience is not unique and many others have had bad experiences with all other religions, and you have no idea of how many different religions I have studied and you have no idea how many friends I have that have shared their stories of nightmares as a result of religion and religious practices.
So to paint with a broad brush, all I have to do is look through the history books and read the religious materials or read the comments made by those who practice particular religions.
Would you like examples beyond my own personal example?
cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
While you may have had bad experiences, please dont be dismissive of the goodness there can be and is in religion.
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Look Cooler,
You are going to be tested...
I'm going to know all I need to know and you don't even have to type one word.
Here is the deal,
You want me to give religion a chance, but you don't know my experience, now if by any chance you had belonged to any one group in your life where you found shelter and protection that group might be found in the constructs of the Church, and family... If the only people that offered you comfort and consoled you in a time of great despair watching you get beaten not by one but unbeknown to most a second beating would result. They were the members of one particular Church. I was a member of a Church where some of the members my peers these children were also bullies. The parents probably were too busy with other business to even care about what the children were actually doing.
So I get beat up in sixth grade, and then I get beat because I got beat up and the only people that offered comfort were from this one particular Church these were children and peers, but they were full of compassion and empathy.
Later in life I would end up joining that particular Church where I would take my marriage vows right near the time that we joined my wife and I.
There was a change of leadership, the new leaders did hide the truth of my innocence and I was eventually excommunicated for telling the truth. Members of that Church were heavily involved in the local public school system and my children suffered as a result of my punishment, my children were also being punished. I was ostracized and I lost contact with people who I thought were my friends. There is one particular leader that facilitated a lot of the wrong doing against me and he has never been held accountable. Now take this from one Church to another where members of other Churches know about my plight and just sit by watching with no means of helping resolve any of the issues.
And as a Muslim what are you going to do?
What I see is from nothing you get nothing...
From the beginning there was nothing and in the end there will also be nothing...
This is what will be for most people who can idly sit by and allow others to suffer, like the girls buried alive...
If GOD is Love and Love is GOD then the girls should be given choice just as the men are given choice because we naturally will find each other our mate, our love, our partner that will remain our partner maybe for life if they do not betray us.
Read my thread or post about Betrayal and Divorce...
I don't like it and would not wish this curse upon any friend or enemy, but here I am going through the worst part of any relationship that anyone could bear.
Tell me again the virtues of your religion or for that matter what good comes from any other religion...
Have you been injected with medications for your beliefs?
No I doubt that you can fully comprehend what it is like to have a gun put to your head for the words that are lies... Those false reports dictated by one liar composed by another and signed by the betrayer... All three are guilty of filing a false report which is against the law...
So you sit back in your easy chair and think to your self ahhh! what a shame, but there is nothing that I can do, I still don't see why this man thinks Islam is so bad???
Gee... What evidence have I?
By the way you do not need buildings to worship GOD... You just have to be a good person, and have a solid foundation of faith in your heart and mind.
Think of it this way the planet and all living on the planet are the Church and we are all part of the Universal Religion...
That leads me to one other discussion... What would you give for world peace? Would you give your Church up?
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
10 minutes ago
This post is significant, like a picture complete
Lightening strike,
Fire and Thunder,
Cast out the monster,
Far from the Earth
Way out in the Universe
To be caught in a force
Greater than the powers desired in life
Let the rafters rock and the timbers shake
I stand firm on my GOD with grace
We will never again see the face of a
Mastermind trying to be in control,
using extreme pressure
A Delicate jewel turns to dust
While clenched in a tight fist
Damage complete
Once trapped inside
Now free
No longer to be a slave
Manipulative whims will end
The soul and sole respect to be known
A beacon of light has been shown to shine brightly for all to see.
14. thebeaddoodler (2100) ranked 3,272 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
I'm not against organized religion per se. Some people find comfort in going to church, socializing with like-minded people and receiving emotional support from them. Others listen to the preacher, try to live their lives as he tells them, find that they fall short and this leads to the meltdown. It seems that organized religion focuses on the teachings of the church rather than their Holy Book, whether it be the Bible or whatever.
A person who is spiritual, rather than religious, knows the creator personally, walks with the creator daily, stumbles, is lifted up by the spirit and goes on, knowing that stumbling is not failure or damnation. This kind of person may be look on by the "average" people as a little strange, but they cope with life much better than those who try to be what another human tells them they should be. Unfortunately the organized religions today say the words "know your saviour personally" but the reject the means of getting to know Him i.e. meditation. They teach people to "pray", but not to be still and just know I AM. That is the key to true spirituality. Religion is following rules. Spirituality is walking with God.
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Very Zen of you,
I hope you have read the reply by Derek...
Read and know,
There are two paths, choose the right path and everything will work out in the end.
15. angel_of_charm (2273) ranked 1,488 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
i see life is a picture of lies somehow..like when you mention that one is portraying that he loves God but is full of hatred in his heart..that is just so true, i know lots of them going to church acting so Godly but when they act they act nothing like what their portraying..
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
You see that also?
I knew you would, hey' check out my latest entry you might find it thought provoking for sure.
Thanks for the reply,
Peace to you and yours,
Happy MyLotting and all of that,
Sincerely,
Gary
16. 6precious102 (619) ranked 180 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
Since I'm a Christian, I can only speak from that point of view. I believe that too many Christians have no idea of the blessings that are ours because of what Jesus Christ did for us on the cross of Calvary. Instead of turning our burdens over to Him, we try to handle it ourselves. Christians also don't take the time to study God's word and learn how we should live.
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
22 hours ago
I understand what you are saying but I can see that you have no clue about my thoughts and beliefs.
Would you like me to take you by the hand and show you some things that you have yet to learn?
There are people in this world that have led you astray, you obviously show signs of not understanding the total concept of which you have just preached there is a duality of concept in your post and in your thoughts, this is a very dangerous duality.
You in your reply are both for and against GOD but you don't yet understand how this can be.
This is the danger of organized religion at work.
I would like to help you by exposing this danger.
Blessings of Peace to you and yours,
Sincerely,
Gary
6precious102 (619) ranked 180 out of 8,205 in religion
6 hours ago
Thank you for your blessing and peace, but I am confident in my beliefs and I wish I could convince you that lives could be changed for the better if people would get into God's word (the Bible) and learn of the blessings He has for us. May the good Lord bless and keep you and may you learn of His blessings. + -
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
2 minutes ago
Hi 6precious102
May the face of GOD shine upon you and may you have peace beyond all human understanding. May you be blessed that your descendants out number the stars.
You can not get anymore peace and blessings than that, I'm sorry you fail to see the Universal GOD is greater than the one you read about in the Bible or any other singular man made source of scripture, call the book by any other name it is still the same.
I truly am sincere of that which I speak and wish for all the good people willing to be good for the Universe and the Earth.
Thank You,
Gary
17. bestboy19 (527) ranked 1,277 out of 8,205 in religion
8 hours ago
The picture I'm getting is, someone doesn't know a thing about God. Statistics have shown that people who are religious are happier and better rounded people.
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (593) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
1 minute ago
Religious, or Spiritual?
Independent or Organized?
I believe in Free Speech, BUT ....
cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Hi guys, I have no apologies to make in saying that I am a Muslim. No apology is needed. It doesnt not mean that I am not open to debate, or other people's opinions. However, when a poster using this forum constantly berates and belittles my faith and the Christian and Jewish faiths, what am I to do?
Islam is not a "cult". It is not full of fable, fantasy and figments of imagination. Just because some "educated" people find the mystery of faith illogical, doesnt mean that it is illogical. It is a matter of your opinion, not a fundamental truth.
Should I even bother to reply to this guy's meaningless meanderings? Or should i let him linger in ignorant bliss?
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1. owlwings (3213) ranked 604 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
You will always find one or two people like that on such forums. The best thing to do is to avoid them and not rise to their bait.
A few conduct campaigns against Muslims (and also against religion in general) but there are some who would be interested to hear the moderate Muslim view concerning some aspects of Islam which really do bother non-Muslims.
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cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Isnt it really amazing that as soon as I make a posting that I am a muslim, my rating goes from 77 to 65? Are people on this site that stupid, that they are so petty they will just put me down for telling people of my beliefs??? + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
yeah there are fanatics here i lost my star because of them + -
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2. LaurenInLA (491) ranked 4,682 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
I think that there are people here who post insensitive remarks simply to get a lot of people to respond to their posts. Me? I simply ignore them. They are trying to make money by insulting the things that other people believe in. No matter what our faith is, we all believe in things that others believe to be irrational but again that's why they call it faith. Don't let it get you down.
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3. spalladino (4867) ranked 1,253 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
If you waste your time trying to have an open discussion with person who's mind is closed you get nowhere...and that person gets credit for your post. I try to ignore morons as much as possible but sometimes you just*have* to try. Good luck to you.
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4. Chiang_Mai_boy (909) ranked 3,440 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Free speech is free speech. BUT does not apply. One of the most frequent criticisms voiced against Islam is that Muslims are thin skinned and insecure in their beliefs so that they seek to restrict or ban criticism.
What are you to do? Ignore him or give responses based on sound research.
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santuccie (1872) ranked 1,432 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
I know someone else (we won't mention his name) who is thin-skinned. That said, I fully agree with you here. Islam actually teaches its followers to kill even non-violent opponents. I believe the term for people like you and me is "infidels." + -
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Princecaspian (135) ranked 7,786 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
You can not be more wrong.It is your religion(whatever it maybe) which teaches people to kill for no reason.
My point is that it is not correct to accuse a religion based on some people.
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santuccie (1872) ranked 1,432 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
And what religion is that? I am a theistic evolutionist (LOL)!!! I believe in a singular Creator, but I don't have any doctrine to tell me to kill.
Just in case you haven't read your own holy book, there are a LOT of scriptures that say "fight." It talks about threatening with death those "who have been given the word," until they confess the superiority (I don't think that's the actual word used) of the sons of Allah, and convert. It talks about killing those who convert away from Islam. Want more? http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html
I tell it like it is. Don't blame me for pointing out that your doctrine is violent. If you don't like it, then perhaps you are ashamed of Islam. (I'm not saying you are; only you know.) + -
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Princecaspian (135) ranked 7,786 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Thats good you are providing proof to support your point.our religion does support fighting for self defense.
The picture of islam as being portrayed by a few muslims is wrong.
As for 'sons' of Allah our religion preaches only one god.
We also believe in one god as you do.I am not ashamed of my religion.
If you have any misconceptions about Islam( not that you have) you can go to:
www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm
No offense meant
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santuccie (1872) ranked 1,432 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
"But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89"
>>This is talking about people who convert away from Islam, not people who attack you. What does this have to do with persecution?
"O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54"
>>This sounds pretty snobbish to me. This is a teaching of exclusivism. This means that all religions are false, except yours. Care to explain how?
"Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39"
>>What does this have to do with persecution?
"Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29"
>>Pay tribute and have been humbled? So this means we are inferior? And again, what does this have to do with persecution?
"O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73"
>>What does this have to do with persecution?
I said it before and I'll say it again, what is being taught here is snobbery and unprovoked malice. And when I say "sons of Allah," I am talking about Muslims. Again, your religion teaches you that non-Muslims are unclean and inferior. Ridiculous! I am no better than you, neither are you any better than me. I shower, I pray, and I care for others. What is it that places you on a pedestal above me? + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Thanks for the question you posed, it’s very interesting, and that is why we also try our best to furnish you with appropriate answer.
They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): so take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (from what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks. Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (Of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (guarantees of) peace, then Allah hath opened no way for you (to war against them). Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people: every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto; if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them; in their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them.?w (An-Nisaa’ 4: 89-91)
Now tell me honestly, do these verses give a free permission to kill any one anywhere? These verses were revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), at the time when Muslims were attacked by the non-Muslims of Makkah on a regular basis. They were frightening the Muslim community of Madinah. One may say using the contemporary jargon that there were constant terrorist attacks on Madinah and in this situation Muslims were given permission to fight back the “terrorist”. These verses are not a permission for “terrorism” but they are a warning against the “terrorists.” But even in these warnings you can see how much restraint and care is emphasized.
It is important that we study the religious texts in their proper context. When these texts are not read in their proper textual and historical contexts they are manipulated and distorted. It is true that some Muslims manipulate these verses for their own goals. But this is not only with Islamic texts, it is also true with the texts of other religions
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santuccie (1872) ranked 1,432 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
By the way, my maternal grandfather is a diabetic, double-transtibial amputee and stroke victim. He weighs over 200 pounds and has no feet, rendering him an invalid and completely dependent; he has occasional seizures if his blood sugar runs a little high; he will grow short of breath for unknown reasons and have to be taken by ambulance to the hospital; he has to be on a strict diet and schedule of injections, vitals, and handfuls of pills; and he has a form of dementia. He will call me to fetch him the TV remote. When I come, he points and says, "Can you hand me the, the, uh..."
This man used to work for Lockheed Martin Missles and Space Company (formerly LMSC), and even supervised the team that built the "little black box," which controls the solar arrays (among other things) on the Hubble Space Telescope. It was he who taught me the fundamentals in computers, got me a computer program that taught me how to touch-type, and went for twilight walks around the block with me when I was a child, as I picked his brain about outer space. He is also agnostic, leaning atheist. He believes "neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth."
My grandfather is not a bad man. He has no disdain for my faith, he comes to church to hear me sing, and he never attacks my faith or anyone else's. Should I hate him? Should I shirk the responsibilities I have agreed upon and leave him lie? My grandmother is less squeamish than I, and thankfully willing and able to handle some of the grosser tasks that I prefer to avoid; but she is by no means strong enough to roll him on and off the bed, or strap him in the van, or push him up and down the street on Farmers' Market day, so he can get out of the house (and we get some fresh groceries).
My grandfather needs someone who can get up and down 20-30 times a day to wait on him, and I am easily capable. I refuse to say, "His ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end." I don't even know if there is a hell. And if there is, it seems to me that it would be reserved for people like rapists, predators, murderers, and possibly an arsonist or other form of vandalist here and there. There are non-believers out there who are open-minded to the numinous, if only they had some hard evidence (this was me). Will God group them along with the truly sick and hateful people, and condemn them to a torturous, eternal damnation, for peccadillos? I don't know, but I tend to doubt it. + -
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santuccie (1872) ranked 1,432 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Thank you, Mathss, for providing the full text of one of the verses in question. And you're right, most religions talk about war in some manner or another. I stand corrected. + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
"O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors; they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. (The Noble Quran, 5:51)"
"O ye who believe! Take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport - whether among those who received the Scripture (i.e., the Bible) before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah, if ye have Faith (indeed). (The Noble Quran, 5:57)"
"Yea, to those who take for friends unbelievers rather than believers: is it honour they seek among them? Nay,- all honour is with God. (The Noble Quran, 4:139)"
In the above Noble Verses, the Arabic word for "friends" is "Awliyaa", which has four literal meanings: (1) Allies; (2) Friends; and (3) Guardians.
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cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Guys guys guys, we are really doing nobody any favours here!
I know from my own personal experience, that nobody told me that I should kill anyone else.
Im sure you guys dont go bleating at Jews and Christians that according to their faith, they should always practise "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth".
In reality, most christians and muslims would get along just fine, respecting each others will to believe what they wish.
I know some will respond again and disagree, and point out a plethora of cases where muslims and christians are fighting, or one group has attacked another.... we can all find instances like that about everything and anything!
However, I can only speak about my own personal experience - and that is one of acceptance of other peoples right to live and exist in peace. Unfortunately, it is not everyone's experience.
Perhaps we should look at the commonality that there is between the abrahamic faiths rather than that which separates us.
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cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Santuccie, I'm not trying to be critical of your contribution, but it would help if you actually understood the meaning and context of the passages you quoted. To have quoted them in the form you have done is quite demeaning to any argument either for or against.
I would like you to read in full the passage from Sura An-Nisaa'. (4:89-91).
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Princecaspian (135) ranked 7,786 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Thanks brother
Peace be on you brother santuccie
'.......and you will find the nearest in love to the believers (Muslims)those who say we are Christians.This is because amongst them are priests and monks and they are not proud ' 5:82
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santuccie (1872) ranked 1,432 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Thank you. But in the name of free speech, while the biblical Old Testament talks about war as incited by God Himself, and miracles performed within, I do not believe it incites "holy war" like the Qur'an does. In the Bible, you will find words like "turn the other cheek," and "Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword." (NAS, Matthew 26:52-53)
Even in full context, your religion is considerably more violent than those I am better familiar with. And my own "religion" is less violent still. I don't like it, and I don't condone it. There is no acceptable excuse for fighting in my eyes; there are no winners but losers in war. Nor is there any rule in my religion that tells me to snub anyone.
I stand corrected only in the sense that I did not know the verses in their full context, but I suggest you don't try to trample me now. Even in light of the full context, I still find Islam to be a violent religion, however demeaning that sounds to anyone. That's my freedom of speech. + -
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sataness (99) ranked 3,660 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
After this massive debate maybe we should look at the practicalities of this. Islam, Judaism and christianity follow the same general pattern of belief. You all have a main prophet, they all accept the other prophwets in each religion apart from Jesus as being the son of God and thats where the main contradicition lie. Christianity sprung from the other two religions and catholics. Why are you pitting religion against religion when there is no true dominant religion? And why are you verbally bashing another religion..when, face it... you're knowledge about Islam comes from a biased media. The reality is there are extremists in all religions, i.e look at the Klu Klux Klan, even they label themselves under a religion. And im afraid to say it tends to be christianity and catholisism that they label under. For the initiator of this debate may i suggest you give your own opinions to the other person about your religion, explain the traditions of it and what the majority of people follow. Don't be drawn into a useless arguement of religion bashing for the simple reason that none are truely correct and none are truely wrong. + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
sataness (90) LOL
you anger others easily
but christianity is a religion of peace
i do not want to argue the person who started this debate can
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5. Princecaspian (135) ranked 7,786 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
I agree with you.As for the person whom you are talking about I have also argued with him many times.
Our duty is only to spread the truth if a person accepts it then it is fine if he rejects the truth then no problem.May God guide everyone to the true path.
You can check his previous discussions to learn more about him.
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6. rameshkumaar57 (247) ranked 505 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Friend cooler this is an open forum, and for your information there is a guy who always makes not only fun of Hinduism but at times he degrades our religion in harsh words. This particular guy does not know anything about hinduism and he gets his information from google. Even when some of my highly educated friends give some correct information, he always finds faults. Even when I suggested to my friends to ignore him, they have been patiently giving him answers till today.
So if you want to defend your religion, try to give answers and as you have mentioned it is a matter of ones own opinion.
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
i would like to know who he is
i will repeat my statement on hinduism
i have no problem with the true hinduism or the true sanatanist religion
i just talk about myths which are not hindu scriptures repeat not hindu scriptures i am against myths ( my friend shiv agrees with me ) against superstition which was added to the scriptures by the british rulers in 1893
I am an atheist at present that means a hindu by ideology
i plan to worship source at 61 .
I apologise if any person was hurt by my irresponsible comments
Hope you people understand and stop giving negative do not compel me to return to the past
i know the discussion about RATS is against hindu ideology and my discussion was based on false notions which were out of context
the books in hinduism use stories to symbolise something good or for inspiration the moral of these stories should be taken not the whole story its self
example
"A king asked a sage to explain the Truth. In response the sage asked the king how he would convey the taste of a mango to someone who had never eaten anything sweet. No matter how hard the king tried, he could not adequately describe the flavor of the fruit, and, in frustration, he demanded of the sage "Tell me then, how would you describe it?" The sage picked up a mango and handed it to the king saying "This is very sweet. Try eating it!"
- Hindu Teaching Story
Whatever takes form is false.
Only the formless endures.
When you understand
The truth of this teaching,
You will not be born again.
For God is infinite,
Within the body and without,
Like a mirror,
And the image in a mirror.
As the air is everywhere,
Flowing around a pot
And filling it,
So God is everywhere,
Filling all things
And flowing through them forever.
- Ashtavakra Gita 1: 18-20
Hope you accept my apology
thanks
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stilesp1985 (105) ranked 736 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
mathss, whatever will we do with you. LOL
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
do what u like . . . . . . .
i converted i am an atheist (seriously)
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (592) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Nice story, Nice picture, now where ever did you get such an idea?;)
rameshkumaar57 (247) ranked 505 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Your apologies are accepted maths, but there is no need for a apology. This is a free forum and everybody is free to write about their views, the only thing is it must not hurt the others feelings. Cheers.
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7. Frederick42 (608) ranked 224 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
If this person is just asking questions, then people can answer those. Moreover, people have full right to point out the flaws in any religion because religious beliefs do affect the society at large. None of us are isolated in this world.
However, if his only intention seems to be to belittle other faiths, then the best thing would be to ignore thr guy.
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8. bournecaindelta (1561) ranked 4,634 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
As long as you are not abusing or defacing any other religion and supporting your own, you should not worry about it. If that so called person is reported against racism, then action will be taken against them and you got nothing to worry about it. Coming to your star ratings, then you should be joining the elite group of people who do not care for their stars. In fact there has been an appeal by many people to remove the star rating system.
If I were in your situation, until and unless the remarks were personally pointed at me, I wouldn't care about them. Ignorance is the best option here and you might want to practice. Because these people, no matter how much you try to reason, will still be illogical and do their shite. Take what's good and leave what's bad..
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9. ulalume (59) ranked 791 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Until proven, all religions are fallacies. That is at least my perspective (I am basically a Satanist). However, I try to avoid cruelty towards believers in these faiths because it is pointless and would be wrong of me. I have experienced cruelty from individuals of these religions, so in a way I feel it is just to dislike these beliefs.
That said, ignorance is in no way bliss. Modern day society attempts to make ignorance out to be a good thing, however it is not. And when the media attempts to "inform" the public about things, they hide behind a mask themselves of ignorance. Islam is made out to be an "evil" religion by the media these days, but it is fundamentally not. However, the media has its bias: therefore according to the media it is evil.
From what you have said, you raise a fair and easily understood argument (or it should be!). I really enjoyed what you said, actually ("It is a matter of your opinion, not a fundamental truth."). My problem with religious people is when they act as if they are all knowing. If you can acknowledge that a belief based on faith has the potential to be wrong, then you are on the right track.
I am looking forward to this discussion, by the way!
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opalina143 (126) ranked 3,966 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
I think that debates on religion are mostly good. After all, they are exchanges of information. Never forget that although the person you are debating may be close minded, others may be reading (or 'lurking') and may appreacite the good points you are making.
Of course, if the debates upset you, by all means avoid them. There are plenty of posters and discussions on mylot, and you can simply avoid the ones that bother you. I don't think you are under some kind of holy obligation to always defend your faith against those who won't listen, especially if you have talked to them again and again.
So what I'm saying is, I think religious discussions are good, but they aren't for everyone, and you are perfectly justified in avoiding them if they cause you stress or distress. + -
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ulalume (59) ranked 791 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
You are so right in this post. Especially considering this is the internet, if anyone is truly interested in converting people, do it in the physical world and make a impact on someones life personally; instead of tossing about religion as if it needs to be bought by consumers longing for a purpose. I suppose the hardest part for me to accept about preaching (especially via internet) is that there is no "proof" (scientific, real proof) of the evidence as a whole. + -
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10. CremeAndSugar (198) ranked 1,748 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
My personal opinion is that kind of ranting -- against the religion of another -- breaks terms. If it isn't promoting bigotry, I don't know what is. If you go to the bottom of the page, click on "terms" and look at content/activity prohibited you'll see it.
People seem to get away with that one all the time. It's a shame, because most of those posts are not meant as discussions, they just are meant to demean and promote hatred. Again. .against terms.
Meanwhile, I think you should just try to ignore it. Report it when you see it and quote that clause of the terms. Trying to argue with the person only builds it up and makes it worse.
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (592) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Suppose a person is exposing a truth that is being well hidden?
Is it fair to say that a person with information of discrimination and harm that is caused by religious leaders is violating the terms?
How are you promoting your religion by NOT being a Good Samaritan?
Your duty as a witness to a crime is to report the crime, not be offended by a person who is reporting a crime, we are to be all one voice against the corruption that exists in our world.
Maybe you need to study your religious beliefs once more to find the part about, "Do NO Harm!" The question now becomes who should not be harmed?
I believe in Free Speech, BUT ....
cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Hi guys, I have no apologies to make in saying that I am a Muslim. No apology is needed. It doesnt not mean that I am not open to debate, or other people's opinions. However, when a poster using this forum constantly berates and belittles my faith and the Christian and Jewish faiths, what am I to do?
Islam is not a "cult". It is not full of fable, fantasy and figments of imagination. Just because some "educated" people find the mystery of faith illogical, doesnt mean that it is illogical. It is a matter of your opinion, not a fundamental truth.
Should I even bother to reply to this guy's meaningless meanderings? Or should i let him linger in ignorant bliss?
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1. owlwings (3213) ranked 604 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
You will always find one or two people like that on such forums. The best thing to do is to avoid them and not rise to their bait.
A few conduct campaigns against Muslims (and also against religion in general) but there are some who would be interested to hear the moderate Muslim view concerning some aspects of Islam which really do bother non-Muslims.
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cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Isnt it really amazing that as soon as I make a posting that I am a muslim, my rating goes from 77 to 65? Are people on this site that stupid, that they are so petty they will just put me down for telling people of my beliefs??? + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
yeah there are fanatics here i lost my star because of them + -
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2. LaurenInLA (491) ranked 4,682 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
I think that there are people here who post insensitive remarks simply to get a lot of people to respond to their posts. Me? I simply ignore them. They are trying to make money by insulting the things that other people believe in. No matter what our faith is, we all believe in things that others believe to be irrational but again that's why they call it faith. Don't let it get you down.
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3. spalladino (4867) ranked 1,253 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
If you waste your time trying to have an open discussion with person who's mind is closed you get nowhere...and that person gets credit for your post. I try to ignore morons as much as possible but sometimes you just*have* to try. Good luck to you.
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4. Chiang_Mai_boy (909) ranked 3,440 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Free speech is free speech. BUT does not apply. One of the most frequent criticisms voiced against Islam is that Muslims are thin skinned and insecure in their beliefs so that they seek to restrict or ban criticism.
What are you to do? Ignore him or give responses based on sound research.
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santuccie (1872) ranked 1,432 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
I know someone else (we won't mention his name) who is thin-skinned. That said, I fully agree with you here. Islam actually teaches its followers to kill even non-violent opponents. I believe the term for people like you and me is "infidels." + -
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Princecaspian (135) ranked 7,786 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
You can not be more wrong.It is your religion(whatever it maybe) which teaches people to kill for no reason.
My point is that it is not correct to accuse a religion based on some people.
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santuccie (1872) ranked 1,432 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
And what religion is that? I am a theistic evolutionist (LOL)!!! I believe in a singular Creator, but I don't have any doctrine to tell me to kill.
Just in case you haven't read your own holy book, there are a LOT of scriptures that say "fight." It talks about threatening with death those "who have been given the word," until they confess the superiority (I don't think that's the actual word used) of the sons of Allah, and convert. It talks about killing those who convert away from Islam. Want more? http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html
I tell it like it is. Don't blame me for pointing out that your doctrine is violent. If you don't like it, then perhaps you are ashamed of Islam. (I'm not saying you are; only you know.) + -
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Princecaspian (135) ranked 7,786 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Thats good you are providing proof to support your point.our religion does support fighting for self defense.
The picture of islam as being portrayed by a few muslims is wrong.
As for 'sons' of Allah our religion preaches only one god.
We also believe in one god as you do.I am not ashamed of my religion.
If you have any misconceptions about Islam( not that you have) you can go to:
www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm
No offense meant
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santuccie (1872) ranked 1,432 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
"But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89"
>>This is talking about people who convert away from Islam, not people who attack you. What does this have to do with persecution?
"O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54"
>>This sounds pretty snobbish to me. This is a teaching of exclusivism. This means that all religions are false, except yours. Care to explain how?
"Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39"
>>What does this have to do with persecution?
"Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29"
>>Pay tribute and have been humbled? So this means we are inferior? And again, what does this have to do with persecution?
"O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73"
>>What does this have to do with persecution?
I said it before and I'll say it again, what is being taught here is snobbery and unprovoked malice. And when I say "sons of Allah," I am talking about Muslims. Again, your religion teaches you that non-Muslims are unclean and inferior. Ridiculous! I am no better than you, neither are you any better than me. I shower, I pray, and I care for others. What is it that places you on a pedestal above me? + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Thanks for the question you posed, it’s very interesting, and that is why we also try our best to furnish you with appropriate answer.
They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): so take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (from what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks. Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (Of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (guarantees of) peace, then Allah hath opened no way for you (to war against them). Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people: every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto; if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them; in their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them.?w (An-Nisaa’ 4: 89-91)
Now tell me honestly, do these verses give a free permission to kill any one anywhere? These verses were revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), at the time when Muslims were attacked by the non-Muslims of Makkah on a regular basis. They were frightening the Muslim community of Madinah. One may say using the contemporary jargon that there were constant terrorist attacks on Madinah and in this situation Muslims were given permission to fight back the “terrorist”. These verses are not a permission for “terrorism” but they are a warning against the “terrorists.” But even in these warnings you can see how much restraint and care is emphasized.
It is important that we study the religious texts in their proper context. When these texts are not read in their proper textual and historical contexts they are manipulated and distorted. It is true that some Muslims manipulate these verses for their own goals. But this is not only with Islamic texts, it is also true with the texts of other religions
Prince this is the response for the first one
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santuccie (1872) ranked 1,432 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
By the way, my maternal grandfather is a diabetic, double-transtibial amputee and stroke victim. He weighs over 200 pounds and has no feet, rendering him an invalid and completely dependent; he has occasional seizures if his blood sugar runs a little high; he will grow short of breath for unknown reasons and have to be taken by ambulance to the hospital; he has to be on a strict diet and schedule of injections, vitals, and handfuls of pills; and he has a form of dementia. He will call me to fetch him the TV remote. When I come, he points and says, "Can you hand me the, the, uh..."
This man used to work for Lockheed Martin Missles and Space Company (formerly LMSC), and even supervised the team that built the "little black box," which controls the solar arrays (among other things) on the Hubble Space Telescope. It was he who taught me the fundamentals in computers, got me a computer program that taught me how to touch-type, and went for twilight walks around the block with me when I was a child, as I picked his brain about outer space. He is also agnostic, leaning atheist. He believes "neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth."
My grandfather is not a bad man. He has no disdain for my faith, he comes to church to hear me sing, and he never attacks my faith or anyone else's. Should I hate him? Should I shirk the responsibilities I have agreed upon and leave him lie? My grandmother is less squeamish than I, and thankfully willing and able to handle some of the grosser tasks that I prefer to avoid; but she is by no means strong enough to roll him on and off the bed, or strap him in the van, or push him up and down the street on Farmers' Market day, so he can get out of the house (and we get some fresh groceries).
My grandfather needs someone who can get up and down 20-30 times a day to wait on him, and I am easily capable. I refuse to say, "His ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end." I don't even know if there is a hell. And if there is, it seems to me that it would be reserved for people like rapists, predators, murderers, and possibly an arsonist or other form of vandalist here and there. There are non-believers out there who are open-minded to the numinous, if only they had some hard evidence (this was me). Will God group them along with the truly sick and hateful people, and condemn them to a torturous, eternal damnation, for peccadillos? I don't know, but I tend to doubt it. + -
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santuccie (1872) ranked 1,432 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Thank you, Mathss, for providing the full text of one of the verses in question. And you're right, most religions talk about war in some manner or another. I stand corrected. + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
"O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors; they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. (The Noble Quran, 5:51)"
"O ye who believe! Take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport - whether among those who received the Scripture (i.e., the Bible) before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah, if ye have Faith (indeed). (The Noble Quran, 5:57)"
"Yea, to those who take for friends unbelievers rather than believers: is it honour they seek among them? Nay,- all honour is with God. (The Noble Quran, 4:139)"
In the above Noble Verses, the Arabic word for "friends" is "Awliyaa", which has four literal meanings: (1) Allies; (2) Friends; and (3) Guardians.
i posted the verses
ok ill add the explanation too Nseries
no u xplain
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cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Guys guys guys, we are really doing nobody any favours here!
I know from my own personal experience, that nobody told me that I should kill anyone else.
Im sure you guys dont go bleating at Jews and Christians that according to their faith, they should always practise "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth".
In reality, most christians and muslims would get along just fine, respecting each others will to believe what they wish.
I know some will respond again and disagree, and point out a plethora of cases where muslims and christians are fighting, or one group has attacked another.... we can all find instances like that about everything and anything!
However, I can only speak about my own personal experience - and that is one of acceptance of other peoples right to live and exist in peace. Unfortunately, it is not everyone's experience.
Perhaps we should look at the commonality that there is between the abrahamic faiths rather than that which separates us.
Frankly, sometimes the pointing out and highlighting of certain passages of the Quran serves no more than to provoke more hostility between groups, and smacks of the "I told you so" brigade. + -
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cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Santuccie, I'm not trying to be critical of your contribution, but it would help if you actually understood the meaning and context of the passages you quoted. To have quoted them in the form you have done is quite demeaning to any argument either for or against.
I would like you to read in full the passage from Sura An-Nisaa'. (4:89-91).
I think you will find that it does not give anyone free permission to kill anyone. + -
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Princecaspian (135) ranked 7,786 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Thanks brother
Peace be on you brother santuccie
'.......and you will find the nearest in love to the believers (Muslims)those who say we are Christians.This is because amongst them are priests and monks and they are not proud ' 5:82
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santuccie (1872) ranked 1,432 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Thank you. But in the name of free speech, while the biblical Old Testament talks about war as incited by God Himself, and miracles performed within, I do not believe it incites "holy war" like the Qur'an does. In the Bible, you will find words like "turn the other cheek," and "Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword." (NAS, Matthew 26:52-53)
Even in full context, your religion is considerably more violent than those I am better familiar with. And my own "religion" is less violent still. I don't like it, and I don't condone it. There is no acceptable excuse for fighting in my eyes; there are no winners but losers in war. Nor is there any rule in my religion that tells me to snub anyone.
I stand corrected only in the sense that I did not know the verses in their full context, but I suggest you don't try to trample me now. Even in light of the full context, I still find Islam to be a violent religion, however demeaning that sounds to anyone. That's my freedom of speech. + -
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sataness (99) ranked 3,660 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
After this massive debate maybe we should look at the practicalities of this. Islam, Judaism and christianity follow the same general pattern of belief. You all have a main prophet, they all accept the other prophwets in each religion apart from Jesus as being the son of God and thats where the main contradicition lie. Christianity sprung from the other two religions and catholics. Why are you pitting religion against religion when there is no true dominant religion? And why are you verbally bashing another religion..when, face it... you're knowledge about Islam comes from a biased media. The reality is there are extremists in all religions, i.e look at the Klu Klux Klan, even they label themselves under a religion. And im afraid to say it tends to be christianity and catholisism that they label under. For the initiator of this debate may i suggest you give your own opinions to the other person about your religion, explain the traditions of it and what the majority of people follow. Don't be drawn into a useless arguement of religion bashing for the simple reason that none are truely correct and none are truely wrong. + -
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
sataness (90) LOL
you anger others easily
but christianity is a religion of peace
i do not want to argue the person who started this debate can
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5. Princecaspian (135) ranked 7,786 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
I agree with you.As for the person whom you are talking about I have also argued with him many times.
Our duty is only to spread the truth if a person accepts it then it is fine if he rejects the truth then no problem.May God guide everyone to the true path.
You can check his previous discussions to learn more about him.
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6. rameshkumaar57 (247) ranked 505 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Friend cooler this is an open forum, and for your information there is a guy who always makes not only fun of Hinduism but at times he degrades our religion in harsh words. This particular guy does not know anything about hinduism and he gets his information from google. Even when some of my highly educated friends give some correct information, he always finds faults. Even when I suggested to my friends to ignore him, they have been patiently giving him answers till today.
So if you want to defend your religion, try to give answers and as you have mentioned it is a matter of ones own opinion.
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
i would like to know who he is
i will repeat my statement on hinduism
i have no problem with the true hinduism or the true sanatanist religion
i just talk about myths which are not hindu scriptures repeat not hindu scriptures i am against myths ( my friend shiv agrees with me ) against superstition which was added to the scriptures by the british rulers in 1893
I am an atheist at present that means a hindu by ideology
i plan to worship source at 61 .
I apologise if any person was hurt by my irresponsible comments
Hope you people understand and stop giving negative do not compel me to return to the past
i know the discussion about RATS is against hindu ideology and my discussion was based on false notions which were out of context
the books in hinduism use stories to symbolise something good or for inspiration the moral of these stories should be taken not the whole story its self
example
"A king asked a sage to explain the Truth. In response the sage asked the king how he would convey the taste of a mango to someone who had never eaten anything sweet. No matter how hard the king tried, he could not adequately describe the flavor of the fruit, and, in frustration, he demanded of the sage "Tell me then, how would you describe it?" The sage picked up a mango and handed it to the king saying "This is very sweet. Try eating it!"
- Hindu Teaching Story
Whatever takes form is false.
Only the formless endures.
When you understand
The truth of this teaching,
You will not be born again.
For God is infinite,
Within the body and without,
Like a mirror,
And the image in a mirror.
As the air is everywhere,
Flowing around a pot
And filling it,
So God is everywhere,
Filling all things
And flowing through them forever.
- Ashtavakra Gita 1: 18-20
Hope you accept my apology
thanks
Njoy
do not give me negative please
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stilesp1985 (105) ranked 736 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
mathss, whatever will we do with you. LOL
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Mathss (581) ranked 7,139 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
do what u like . . . . . . .
i converted i am an atheist (seriously)
lol
Njoy
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (592) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Nice story, Nice picture, now where ever did you get such an idea?;)
rameshkumaar57 (247) ranked 505 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Your apologies are accepted maths, but there is no need for a apology. This is a free forum and everybody is free to write about their views, the only thing is it must not hurt the others feelings. Cheers.
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7. Frederick42 (608) ranked 224 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
If this person is just asking questions, then people can answer those. Moreover, people have full right to point out the flaws in any religion because religious beliefs do affect the society at large. None of us are isolated in this world.
However, if his only intention seems to be to belittle other faiths, then the best thing would be to ignore thr guy.
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8. bournecaindelta (1561) ranked 4,634 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
As long as you are not abusing or defacing any other religion and supporting your own, you should not worry about it. If that so called person is reported against racism, then action will be taken against them and you got nothing to worry about it. Coming to your star ratings, then you should be joining the elite group of people who do not care for their stars. In fact there has been an appeal by many people to remove the star rating system.
If I were in your situation, until and unless the remarks were personally pointed at me, I wouldn't care about them. Ignorance is the best option here and you might want to practice. Because these people, no matter how much you try to reason, will still be illogical and do their shite. Take what's good and leave what's bad..
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9. ulalume (59) ranked 791 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Until proven, all religions are fallacies. That is at least my perspective (I am basically a Satanist). However, I try to avoid cruelty towards believers in these faiths because it is pointless and would be wrong of me. I have experienced cruelty from individuals of these religions, so in a way I feel it is just to dislike these beliefs.
That said, ignorance is in no way bliss. Modern day society attempts to make ignorance out to be a good thing, however it is not. And when the media attempts to "inform" the public about things, they hide behind a mask themselves of ignorance. Islam is made out to be an "evil" religion by the media these days, but it is fundamentally not. However, the media has its bias: therefore according to the media it is evil.
From what you have said, you raise a fair and easily understood argument (or it should be!). I really enjoyed what you said, actually ("It is a matter of your opinion, not a fundamental truth."). My problem with religious people is when they act as if they are all knowing. If you can acknowledge that a belief based on faith has the potential to be wrong, then you are on the right track.
I am looking forward to this discussion, by the way!
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opalina143 (126) ranked 3,966 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
I think that debates on religion are mostly good. After all, they are exchanges of information. Never forget that although the person you are debating may be close minded, others may be reading (or 'lurking') and may appreacite the good points you are making.
Of course, if the debates upset you, by all means avoid them. There are plenty of posters and discussions on mylot, and you can simply avoid the ones that bother you. I don't think you are under some kind of holy obligation to always defend your faith against those who won't listen, especially if you have talked to them again and again.
So what I'm saying is, I think religious discussions are good, but they aren't for everyone, and you are perfectly justified in avoiding them if they cause you stress or distress. + -
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ulalume (59) ranked 791 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
You are so right in this post. Especially considering this is the internet, if anyone is truly interested in converting people, do it in the physical world and make a impact on someones life personally; instead of tossing about religion as if it needs to be bought by consumers longing for a purpose. I suppose the hardest part for me to accept about preaching (especially via internet) is that there is no "proof" (scientific, real proof) of the evidence as a whole. + -
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10. CremeAndSugar (198) ranked 1,748 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
My personal opinion is that kind of ranting -- against the religion of another -- breaks terms. If it isn't promoting bigotry, I don't know what is. If you go to the bottom of the page, click on "terms" and look at content/activity prohibited you'll see it.
People seem to get away with that one all the time. It's a shame, because most of those posts are not meant as discussions, they just are meant to demean and promote hatred. Again. .against terms.
Meanwhile, I think you should just try to ignore it. Report it when you see it and quote that clause of the terms. Trying to argue with the person only builds it up and makes it worse.
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (592) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Suppose a person is exposing a truth that is being well hidden?
Is it fair to say that a person with information of discrimination and harm that is caused by religious leaders is violating the terms?
How are you promoting your religion by NOT being a Good Samaritan?
Your duty as a witness to a crime is to report the crime, not be offended by a person who is reporting a crime, we are to be all one voice against the corruption that exists in our world.
Maybe you need to study your religious beliefs once more to find the part about, "Do NO Harm!" The question now becomes who should not be harmed?
11. skysuccess (920) ranked 514 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
cooler1968,
I do agree that Islam is not a cult however, there are cults in the Islamic faith. And it is because of these groups that a lot of us around the world are witnessing the inhumane side of your faith.
I do not think that there is some blind or unsupported mentions and these posts just includes the poster's sentiments and prerogatives. You can just ignore if you do not have the desire or will to convince the other party that he/she had some unbalanced perceptions. I just feel that to blindly argue over presented facts is simply the kill joy to what may be otherwise a good discussion.
So, if you feel you must contribute and air out then by all means do so. Just don't get out of control and be seen as someone being one sided and spoil the rest of what would be a really good fine day.
Take care.
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12. TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (592) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
You make a post and defend your beliefs and why you have the opinion that you do...
You read why the OP (Original poster) has his beliefs and opinions and you think of ways that you can come to terms, an agreement that either something is as they say, black or white or all shades of gray...
Be that as it may, I would say that it is speaking the truth that is most important.
There are other discussions about speaking this truth and knowing this truth.
How do you identify the truth?
What harm has been caused in the name of these religions you wish not to be spoken of that have caused harm? It is a statement of fact and can be proven, how can you say that any one of these religions is not the source of harm?
Your turn, the tennis ball is now in your court...
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (592) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Double play,
Please read the reply to made to you on my discussion.
13. lampar (45) ranked 4,311 out of 8,205 in religion
4 days ago
Nobody demand an apology from any Muslims in USA, you are living in a country that respect your right to freedom of religion, there is nothing good or bad on your faith, as far as i am concerned, you are free to choose whatever religion you want here in USA, the constitution guarantee this. By the way, the faithfuls of any religion other than Christianity ( the main religion) faces the same belittling too other than Muslims, very much like the problems face by minority races in our history, you just have to learn to deal with it.
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14. TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (592) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
What is the cost of free speech?
Are your eyes and ears open to the truth?
......Would you prevent the truth from being known?
..........If the truth offends you then what are you hiding?
...............A lie cuts deep into a person's soul
...............The truth shall set us free
...............Ignorance is not bliss
Becoming a messenger for GOD requires one to know this GOD--
cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
it almost sounds like you think you are god, or a messenger from god. + -
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (592) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Do you not know me?
Do you not believe in GOD?
Are you blinded by some veil or is there a stumbling block in your path to prevent you from starting your quest?
Maybe English is not your first language and you are not interested in reading what I have written.
Is there any reason that I can not be part of the Divine?
You asked a silly question, are you not a part of GOD and a messenger of your own truth and experience with this god that you know?
cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
You're asking the silly questions here, man.
I dont know you at all, and quite frankly happy to keep it that way.
English is my first language, and I think most people would find it difficult to understand your take on that language.
No, you arent God, or a messenger sent by God. + -
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (592) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
You do not know the truth and the words that you write are filled with filth and pollution as the pot calls the kettle black.
I would have an exchange of ideology with you but it seems you are incapable of having a civil discussion with out being a potty mouth.
Your version of your truth is clearly flawed and needs to be re-examined, because you can't accept what happened to me and see my working for and with the divine.
Am I a messenger? You have told me no... But what do I know? Maybe there are people that think I am, and if I am then so I shall be.
Am I GOD? I claim to be made of the divine but no I do not claim to be GOD, I have a personal relationship with the divine and know through my vision what the peace of Heaven is as I was shown the existence of Heaven.
Could a person be cast out of Heaven? Do you know what I know and would you like to lose the reward that you seek?
Let me hold the mirror up to your speech of which you proclaim to be so offended by the speech of others as you are the one in actual violation of the terms of service.
I'm going for a touch down here...
cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Point of the violation of terms ....
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (592) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Sure, no problem I pull up the terms find your points of violation and post the violations that you have committed.
I will share a link to a post that is a discussion of this very violation.
Just hang tight a few moments or minutes I should have this done maybe in about 15 minutes.
Then you can see what I mean and where I am coming from and you can decide for yourself if you are the terrorist in violation or if the other person you complain about is just trying to get you to see your own reflection.
I'll be back ASAP, as I say probably about 15 minutes, less GOD willing and helping.
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (592) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
In order to shorten the post I removed unessential wording that does not pertain to my point.
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Keep in mind what you think is offensive to you others might find as informative and it is the purpose of the people who are presenting our information to provide truthful analysis without making personal attacks while presenting the truth. Your job is not to make personal attacks of the poster or his or her discussion, your job is to prove that there is an error or flaw in the information provided, you are given the opportunity to show that what is posted was false and give us the truth showing us where we are wrong.
Have I done this for you?
cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Is it just me you have posted this to?
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (592) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
It is valid for you me and others...
Not just you but to those other people that might be interested...
Peace,
Sincerely,
Gary
cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
Oh that's good then. I hope you also sent a copy of this to your good friend ... the one you seem to defend a lot. + -
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15. freethinkingagent (540) ranked 5,392 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
If you feel you can not tolerate his comments, don't respond. Nothing says you have to make a response. Many here are not open to ideas outside of their own belief or non-belief structures, My star is proof of that, not 30 days ago it was an 8, but when I speak my mind, it goes down.
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cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
I think you have a point - but when the abusive and vitriolic spleen venting is so intimidating, then surely the moderators should actually do something to prevent such postings.
What did you say to bring your star rating down so much??? + -
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freethinkingagent (540) ranked 5,392 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
I spoke truths
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cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
that was a huge drop! I will check out your discussions over the past month and see what bad things you've been saying! + -
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freethinkingagent (540) ranked 5,392 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Just don't hiut my neg any more, don't want my star to totaly disapear LOL
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cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Nah, I wont neg you. I dont neg people at all TBH. Even if I disagree with people, i think everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if it belittles mine.
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freethinkingagent (540) ranked 5,392 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
It was my discussions on Moses that killed my star. People misunderstood what I was saying. What i was trying to say is that I believe as the bible and some their holy books have said, That God has put his plan for man in the stars, It tells the history, the present and the future. I was showing how Moses can be viewed in the stars as the sun passing Thur the zodiac. The bible places the time of Moses in the age of Aries. You see every two thousand plus years, the Equinox lines up in a new constellation, This is called the procession. 2000 years ago we ended the age of Aries and began the age of Pisces. Observe that Jesus came at this time. Before his baptism, the submersion in water, he was called the lam of God, Aries symbolises the Ram or Lambs, after his baptism he constantly used fish as a metaphor, and his first disciples were fishermen. Thus during the age of Aries he was the good shepherd, the lamb of God, Afterward he was a fisher of men. Also the first symbols of the early church was a fish. Anyway I was trying to show that when we left the age of Taurus and began the age of Aries The whole story of the exodus and Moses and the Israelites could be seen in the suns progress thought the constellations. Some see this as an almighty God who shows the end from the beginning, and others see this the opposite way, as man making up stories to follow old myths. Any way I guess they believed I was saying something bad about Jews and Christians, so my star flat lined, So I learned never will I again point out the stories in the bible with the stars, even though Jesus referred to the signs of the age very often and when talking about the end days also mentioned the signs in heaven and knowing the times and season by the signs. All of prophecy can be explained by the stars as well, and gives us clues top where we are now and what is right around the corner, but people don't want to hear it, they think I am comparing the bible to astrology, But one more thought, besides the little age we have entered, the next age is the age of Aquarius, the water bearer, remember what Jesus said he would do when he returns? He brings with him the waters of Life, Aquariums is Jesus as the water bearer. Rated! !
cooler1968 (269) ranked 3,921 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Well, that was not so bad! I couldnt see anyone thinking that so negative. Compare and contrast that to one "poster" here who belittles the Islamic faith by taking passages from the Quran to embellish his nasty views on Islam ... and the quotes are taken out of context. He also refers to the prophet as "a warlord" and "a paedophile".
This guy actually believes he is a Philosopher!!! The first thing that I was taught in University while studying Philosophy, especially the history of Philosophy, was that I should try inasmuch as I could to view the philosophies of the past in the context of the mores and society from which they came. This "philosopher" who keeps pushing the Islamophobic rhetoric like verbal diarrhoea is very disinegnuous with his "discussion" and "truths".
And you know what? His star ranking is higher than yours!
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freethinkingagent (540) ranked 5,392 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
No they didn't leave too many remarks, they just rated the discussion and my comments neg. Rated! !
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (592) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
FTA,
You know I was following that discussion, and I was enjoying what you had revealed, I'd like to know where the other half was going to go, if something would be revealed that I did not already know from my reading of the Bible and the information that has been shared from other religions.
Why worry about your star rating? But if it matters that much I will ask that your star be raised. I don't know if it will help, but I will ask for we never know what will happen unless we try. You have asked but I have yet to ask, maybe I can help.
Peace and Blessings,
Happy New Year,
Happy MyLotting,
Sincerely,
Gary
freethinkingagent (540) ranked 5,392 out of 8,205 in religion
3 days ago
Well I guess my star doesn't really mater, not like i am making a fortune here lol, It was the critical remarks, I guess i could go on with it, I would like to Finnish it so I can go on to Daniel or revelations and reveal some of its mysteries. Rated! !
TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (592) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
Funny that you should mention Daniel...
freethinkingagent (540) ranked 5,392 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
Why funny?
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (592) ranked 936 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
Well look at my reply in the fifth response to Kijiky at the same time you had posted this information here...
Like how many times does that happen?
You are not the first person that I've been able to connect with like this, as the name Daniel was the theme at that very moment, and if I turn on the Radio and Daniel is playing, I'm going to really feel a little in touch.
I just turned on the Radio and Someone out there is playing, who are you thinking of?
I'm thinking of so many people,
So many...
freethinkingagent (540) ranked 5,392 out of 8,205 in religion
1 day ago
Daniel my brother, you should read my revelations post in religion
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Are you addicted to the internet?
cooler1968 (269) ranked 1,000 out of 11,832 in internet
3 days ago
Hi. Just wondering if you guys consider yourself addicted to the internet. How many places are you able to log in from - home, work, college, school? Do you have more than one device that you can log in from? How much usage do you make of the internet? How many days can you go without being online?
I can long in from both work and home. I have a laptop, a desktop and an iPhone that I can access the internet from. I spend approx 2 hours a day online, mostly looking at news websites and youtube - trying to figure out how to reduce my heating bills by coming up with an alternative to oil fired central heating.
I have often gone a week without online access - and it didnt bother me in the least.
Happy myLotting!
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1. jakes9 (54) ranked 6,235 out of 11,832 in internet
3 days ago
I mostly come online through my home pc. But i can access internet from my college, as well as cyber cafes.
I usually spend 5-6 hours online daily. I know its quite a lot, but once i sit on the Pc, i don't know how the time just passes by. I don't have a laptop pc. Just imagine, if i had a laptop, my frequency to use internet would double, because currently this desktop pc is in my dad's room, and i can't access the internet from my dad's room always, like at night!
Also my mobile internet doesn't work properly, so i don't try looging on through my cell-phone.
My time on internet is usually spent on mylot, then a few PTC sites, and finally on orkut.
And sometimes on searching for new products, or anything else i want to search etc.!!
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bitzur83 (61) ranked 3,890 out of 11,832 in internet
1 day ago
Yes I am addicted to internet. internet is the place where everybody is going by just sitting on same place. Internet helps us if we are using it proper way. + -
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2. WebMann (1994) ranked 2,155 out of 11,832 in internet
3 days ago
To start I make my living online through blogging, money sites and web design clients so I spend quite a bit of time on the internet but I wouldn't say I am addicted.
I can go away and my computer or the internet never enters my mind.
When I am home I am online all the time I am awake. The reason for this is because my office is in my home.
If I am addicted to anything I would say it's to my email. I am a bit of a perfectionist and pride myself on how fast I get word done for my clients. I get a lot of word of mouth work so getting things done almost before they ask goes a long way for my business.
I do visit Youtube a lot lately because I love my guitar and spend a lot of time learning new stuff and in my opinion Youtube is the place to go to learn. I might just be a little addicted to Youtube now.
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3. varunvasanth (730) ranked 4,472 out of 11,832 in internet
3 days ago
yea,at time even i had to use net long time not an addiction though,yea mostly i spends in this earning programme in net...i dont think i am addicted as i only wanna earn here by spending my free time in use of net...i also looks forward not to exceed my electricity bills too, i rarely spends here too,so i dont thinks am in addiction of that sort anyways happy lottin..
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4. salbahis06 (108) ranked 4,848 out of 11,832 in internet
3 days ago
I always stays in front of the computer really long. But i never can say that it is already addiction. For me, its just a hobby. [;
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5. sandy112 (18) ranked 6,236 out of 11,832 in internet
3 days ago
i think that im addicted to internet, cause.
without internet i cant chat wit friends, play games.
i spend almost wholeday using computer unless i go out to do things/play.
i can login from laptop, desktop, and phone GPRS .
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6. keelymcilwain (323) ranked 450 out of 11,832 in internet
3 days ago
I have had the internet since I was 13 years old. I am now 22 so I am pretty needy when it comes to the internet. A few months back I bought a laptop with wireless stuff so that I could access the net even when I didn't have it. It was a pain in the but having to sit in the front windows, or in the back yard to get signal but at least I was able to check my email daily and keep up to date with things I have going on through websites and all. I don't think I could live a day knowing I wouldn't have the internet again. lol Addicted I am.
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7. MementoMori (212) ranked 7,326 out of 11,832 in internet
3 days ago
Hey there...To answer your question, I'd have to say yes...Like many other people out there, I AM addicted to the internet...Not as much as I use to be though...Probably due to the amount of work I have to do now balancing two jobs...I used to download music, movies, programs and other goodies pretty much every single day to the point of it being an obsession...
I'm doing much better now though, so it looks like I won't be having to go into internet rehab any time soon!
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8. majed124 (43) ranked 8,006 out of 11,832 in internet
3 days ago
i'm not totally additcted i jsut come on here for fun and to chat to my freinds come on mylot and meet new people go on bebo and profilepic and just watch videos on youtube and stuff play games try get freebies and loads of other stuff=]
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9. loveshoby (62) ranked 11,412 out of 11,832 in internet
3 days ago
Yes,
Very Badly.
There are lot of things to do apart from checking mail. And if you go on to chatting then the addicion goes....up and up
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10. kuer86 (939) ranked 2,321 out of 11,832 in internet
3 days ago
well,i guess i am addicted to the net. cuz when the work days will be in net both in home and while working.
it's very convenient to get access to the net,i just bring my laptop to the office and get all the stuff out of the computer bag then set them together and open the laptop then i can be online.
it's usually early in the morning that i open my computer cuz there are no where for putting/storing such a big and expensive device when get out of the office so i guess put it in the desk is the best solution.
and after 8 hours or more it's usually time to go home.so my online work stop here.
when at home i guess i would wait the dinner finished to be online.cuz i have to wash the dishes.it's good for working at home.
the time left is mine and i usually surf online meanwhile i will accompany my parents watching tv. However the are the ones who are actually watching and i am the one who surf online.it's okay that we all get well with each other.
and for the weekends and holiday when i have something to do like going out soppeing with my friends and relatives,it's okay for me to off the line.cuz i will have lots of fun with them.but when i have nothing to do then i will choose internet to kill the time.
i guess the life for me is pretty good.
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11. toddsarm (690) ranked 2,922 out of 11,832 in internet
1 day ago
yes im addicted to internet,
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12. laydee (2168) ranked 2,179 out of 11,832 in internet
1 day ago
Oh no! no access a week could kill me with boredom, literally.
I could actually say I'm pretty much addicted. But it's maybe because I use it so often for work and fun that's why it has become part of my life. But I couldn't really say that I'm totally dependent of it, I usually don't go online, nor even turn the computer on during the weekends when I'm with family.
So, I guess I'm quite a little bit addicted, but not totally.
Come to think of it, I actually did stay 2 weeks without internet, when I was vacationing with my family.
So I guess I could really live without it.
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13. ranviruchauhan (15) ranked 8,007 out of 11,832 in internet
1 day ago
I dont understand the word addiction,i can control myself to access internet untill i set to surf net but when i seat to surf net there is no control on me esp.. chatting. I dont have net connection at home so i hv to go to cafe, so in cafe i hv to leave net after one hour.
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14. polachicago (6873) ranked 64 out of 11,832 in internet
1 day ago
I am addicted to Internet at the same degree i am addicted to reading books and watching movies. I like to get all information on Internet, but i can easy live without...
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15. henahuda (11) ranked 7,981 out of 11,832 in internet
1 day ago
yes i am very much addicted to internet.i have one laptop and i sit for hours on internet.i do get to access in the uninversity as well but there are teachers all around so harldly get to surf at the university.but when i am at home i sit for almost 5 to 6 hours or at times more than this.i am fond of downloading new songs so i keep looking for different sites from where i can download new mp3's.then i keep surfing for genuine sites from where i can earn money sitting at home as i am student and i keep looking for other alternatives to earn money so that i can take out my expenses.then i even watch movies and read news.these are the things which i do on internet.
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16. crazyranjeev (375) ranked 7,979 out of 11,832 in internet
1 day ago
yea most of time i spent on internet....without internet nothing is possible in my life
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17. vinangkal (18) ranked 7,962 out of 11,832 in internet
1 day ago
I only use internet at my office and internet shop of my aunt. Usually, when my work load at the office is quite few, I love to surf and do the thing on my own interest. Play online games, post on the forums, earn by click, etc.. But I don't consider myself an addict on using the internet. When I go out or play outdoor, I don't think of it. The present situation or the event happening is what I've thinking when I'm offline.
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18. silverjam (186) ranked 7,995 out of 11,832 in internet
1 day ago
Well I guess I was before, very much addicted to internet wayback 4 years ago. That was when I have my online boyfriend from a nother country and the only means of communications we had were mostly the internet and of course the cell phones. I consider myself so addicted since am spending most of my time in chatting w/ him everyday except Saturday. I was spending 5-10 hrs being online talking w/ him. I don't have my own pc at home so I had to go to the internet cafe then....to the point that I no longer went home and slept in the cafe most of the nights.
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19. Stunner365 (43) ranked 5,803 out of 11,832 in internet
1 day ago
I find that the internet must be a drug.I get on to chat with my friends play games with other people online, and, obviously, I'm on the internet at this very moment!So, I would have to truthfully say I am much more than just addicted to the internet.=)
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20. siZidni (475) ranked 803 out of 11,832 in internet
1 day ago
yes i am.
and i hate it.
since the only place i could online is at my office.
and that's absolutely wrong..
i should spent most of my time to work instead of surfing internet
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21. TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (592) ranked 7,986 out of 11,832 in internet
1 day ago
No I'm not addicted to the internet, but I do like posting to the people who are friends sharing information with me here on the internet.
*sniff, sniff What is that I smell?*
You say you spend two hours at a time and sometimes stay away for a week at a time? It seems to me that you have a peculiar disposition.
Your disposition is defined.
cooler1968 (269) ranked 1,000 out of 11,832 in internet
1 day ago
care to explain what you mean?
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (592) ranked 7,986 out of 11,832 in internet
19 hours ago
Sure I'll explain that you are trolling this site, in my opinion you are abusive as a person, I fully understand that you do not intend friendship as you twist thoughts into false accusations.
You accused me indirectly and directly accused my friend of posting sacrilegious material that offended you. Your post violated the rules by defaming my friend using language that is defined by the term potty mouth and making direct personal attacks you attacked others and in the process you are trying to censor the freedom of speech.
You are making one sided statements that are not open to discussion and abusing other people with your unauthorized power and control.
In my opinion you are disingenuous.
You offer no proof for your position, you just make personal attacks instead of allowing people to present their position.
What you are doing is the same as a homosexual posting a discussion only allowing for a perspective from a biological point of view, which is totally disingenuous. You know very well that there are many reasons for people to choose same gender relations, some reasons are biological, and other reasons are emotional. I would say that it is possible that in the DNA or the biological structure of the genes the possibility of Homosexuality could exist by the simple fact that Hermaphrodites do exist. So if people of blended sexual biology exist so could people of same gender orientation. But here is the thing, if the discussion stops right there. Then you never learn about how a person can be taught to believe that they are homosexual because of peer pressure or an agenda being pursued by a particular teacher.
You sir, have an agenda to pursue, you are selling something for power and control over others, you are taking away the rights of others to be free.
I see your intentions and I see your heart, what I see is not pure and holy.
Would you like me to elaborate?
Have I made myself clear?
I see that your philosophies line up with the philosophies of those that would abuse others and cause the abused to become terrorists. That is what I see, the fruit of your posts is not of good or of GOD and I see no proof that you intend to be a good person.
I wish that what I read of you was wrong, but I know what I know.
I am also not going to allow you control over me and my life.
Bye-Bye!
cooler1968 (269) ranked 1,000 out of 11,832 in internet
18 hours ago
Those two postings were abusive.
They will be reported.
Might I suggest that you also point out that your friend must also adhere to the rules that you so kindly sent to me. That also goes for you.
I have not been abusive to you in any way shape or form. I would ask you to kindly refrain from any contact with me on here for the time being, until the moderators have seen the remarks you made with these two postings.
Whatever gripe you have with me, you should not force down other peoples throats.
Your postings here have nothing to do with the topic in hand, and are considered flaming.
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22. soundfreak22nd (40) ranked 3,365 out of 11,832 in internet
1 day ago
I am addicted to the internet. I like to find informations on guitars, log in to my local guitar forums to search for new equipments and exploring opportunity for business.
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23. vampirestonez (834) ranked 3,192 out of 11,832 in internet
1 day ago
Well I'd say I'm pretty addicted to the internet and in 24 hours I spend around 10 hours or so using it. The main reason is that my job requires to use the internet and when I get back home, I like to relax by playing online games which of course require internet. Few days back there was some problem with the internet service provider and we had our net disconnected for like 2 days at home but we just spent time playing board games for the fun of it and watching movies. So well I can do without internet for some period of time but don't know if I can really go long without it, perhaps if I do have something else to take my mind off it, it will not bother me.
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24. sunshinelady (5716) ranked 238 out of 11,832 in internet
1 day ago
I only access the internet through my desktop computer. I don't access it through my cell phone. Not even interested in doing that. I do love the internet so I would have to say that I am somewhat addicted to it. When I am at home I love being on the internet and am on it a good part of the day.
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25. sysrqps (2)
1 day ago
hi,i don't know if i am addicted to the internet.
generally i spent almost over 10 hours online per day.
while in work time, i am using my laptop to find some information for work, to watch some news and read whatever interests me.
while at home, i use my desktop. sometimes i play WOW, sometimes i watch some videos online.
so i spent a lot of time on the internet, but still i don't think i will feel uncomfortable without internet even for one month.
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26. shahanas (400) ranked 431 out of 11,832 in internet
1 day ago
nope, I am not at all addicted to this Internet. but there are a lot of people who are actually addicted to the Internet. Actually some of them are always take internet for chating and for some other bad things.
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27. yjxsts (19)
1 day ago
I'm almost on the internet all day long nowadays. I'm enjoying my last winter vacation at home before graduation, and there is nothing to play except surfing on the net in such a cold day. I'm not addicted to the internet, I think I'm just in a state of hibernation, haha~~~~~
Generally I access the internet from my laptop, besides, cell phone is another great way to internet.
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28. paoxav (90)
1 day ago
Hmmm.. I guess I am. Coz this is my hobby and my work revolves around the internet. I'm also an IT professional which makes it obvious that my life is internet or internet is my life. I never missed the web since year 2000. I'm gettin online everyday eventhough I'm on a vacation or even sick. That's how I love this network. I can't see myself without it.
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29. judinbo (116)
1 day ago
yes, i addited to the internet..i spend a lot of time with internet. since i know about mylot, i became more addicted because i will earn money here. i always find some money from internet
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paoxav (90)
1 day ago
are you on a PTC sites too? if yes, on what sites? if none, then tell me.. you'll earn money at PTC without investments required.. + -
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30. mjmlagat (1266) ranked 2,577 out of 11,832 in internet
1 day ago
Hi there! No, thanks God, I'm not addicted to the internet and yes, I can still live without it. This might be to the many responsibilities I have in life particularly that of being a mother but I just go online whenever I can.
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31. ensurepune (12)
1 day ago
I WON'T SAY THAT I AM ADDICTED TO IT but it's my bread & butter so definately i need to be there to be more competitive.
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32. hdjohnson (650) ranked 9,061 out of 11,832 in internet
1 day ago
The primary ways I have to access the Internet are from my work, home or my wife's laptop computers. I can access it from my phone, if I wanted to pay for that feature, but I don't; but I used to. I spend a lot of time on social networks, like Facebook and mylot. Between them I usually check my email.
I also listen to sermons on line that I may have missed church attendance that particular day. I'll listen until I have the message in me till I can recall all of the notes, scriptures and everything about the message as much as possible.
I have gone without using the computer or having the logged onto the Internet for weeks or days on end before and when I think about it, sometimes it bothers me, but if I don't think about it; then I'm not that concerned about. I just don't like having to read a lot of backlogged of emails.
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33. gracie04 (1357) ranked 4,745 out of 11,832 in internet
1 day ago
Yes, i am.. i consider myself as an internet addict.. i can't let the day pass without visiting my favorite websites.. and yes, internet's been helping me to earn extra bucks to pay off some debts..
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34. sin_nis (18) ranked 8,620 out of 11,832 in internet
1 day ago
i'm completely addicted to the internet, i usually just work on my home pc for a few hours a day, catch some exercise, etc. problem is, i got on the internet more than i use my cell phone. that's addiction.
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35. Crysi23 (350) ranked 3,045 out of 11,832 in internet
1 day ago
Yea I would say that I'm addicted to the internet. I have a laptop that I take with me and I can log in at my mother-in-law's house when I go over there once a week. But I always put my daughter's needs before the internet. I'll pay attention to her and use the computer at the same time. But I do spend quality time with my daughter.
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36. Milena98 (8)
1 day ago
Hi. Sometimes I can be online everyday in a few month and more then just few hours and sometimes it strikes me and I don't go online for few weeks. To me it's about mood and how do I feel. To me being online is much more fun then TV and I spend more time with it.
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37. ronnilynn (35)
1 day ago
I only have a laptop and I'm usually online at least 30 minutes a day (although when I'm at school or I'm bored at home I'm usually on more) and I can go a couple of weeks without internet and it doesn't bother me.
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38. vicky30 (2030) ranked 2,519 out of 11,832 in internet
12 hours ago
Yes i'm addicted to the internet .I use the internet for more than three hours a day.I can go for one month without internet.I use the internet mostly for emails.To earn online.I also use it for playing online games when i fell bored.
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39. skaaaks (450) ranked 428 out of 11,832 in internet
11 hours ago
Yes I am highly addicted to internet. I use it for more than 5 hours a day but mostly its quite more than this ... Though my interests changes. From last 2-3 months I am doing most of it for online money making but was using internet for same no. of hours before also.. My only common interest from long is checking mailbox and mailing to others.. So for me even one day without internet is like a year he he....
I mostly log in through my pc but also use it through friends pc's and sometimes cybercafes if my internet connection has problems... But I go to any limit to access it at least to see my mailbox as i got all updates there..
Last few days I was at my home for New Year holidays and I had not much access to internet because of no broadband at that place. So I surfed through my mother's office he he and that too not from her room but from his boss's computer (because only he had the broadband).....
Happy Mylotting & Have a nice day ......
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40. bittertruth (86) ranked 2,078 out of 11,832 in internet
6 hours ago
cooler, you are a controlled chap.
I own several blogs and high traffic forums and I can't do it just in 2 hours. I stay at least 4 hours online.
I can do without Internet too like you said..
but Without Internet, I can't think of doing my work.
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cooler1968 (269) ranked 1,000 out of 11,832 in internet
5 hours ago
Hey man, if I had my way I would be online a lot more! I work 12 hour shifts with a 2 hour commute, so I cant afford to spend a lot more time online.
One guy here took issue with my being away from the internet for a week at a time .. but he perhaps didnt realise that most people like to take a holiday now and again!:)
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I saved this post twice when more information was added so we can see how the conversation was changed by intentional information inserted to take the dialogue into a different direction, please read through the redundancy to reach a new understanding or meaning created by the originator of the conversation.
Now what is the connection between these posts above saved in descending order earliest to latest, while this last group of four were all saved on 1-6-09, and the post below? If people are waking up to the ability to communicate through alternative means and this is enhanced through our writings to each other then by blocking or distracting the ability of all of us to communicate as one voice the divisions would generate a decisive advantage to those who can profit from a market where capital is easily taken.
Below is a discussion removed from our old forum On the surface it appears to have nothing to do with the loss of our old forum, if I could produce those links, I could prove the connection. And is very likely related to that forgotten issue that I wanted to disclose, but having the fluff of the discussion being questioned the real meat was set aside until this most recent attack. When I realized what the purpose of cross posting was all about. So here I saved all the information in an attempt to bring new people in and expose those with evil intentions.
The links were removed and the subject was to focus on the paranormal that is all around us among our friends. What was missed was the fact that a person named Cooler was trying to undermine our ability to connect and communicate in person, first hand...
A removed Discussion from Light Warriors
Our ability to be subjective and open with others closes down. If our perceptions lead us to the wrong conclusions we tend to become focused on a narrow point instead of seeing the greater picture as everything closes down on the single thought we tend to lose contact with the obvious and our conclusions of personal attack tend to miss the greater good of a defense that is not seen through closed eyes and ears that will not listen.
Have you ever seen something that you thought for sure was a personal attack and in reality it was a bad interpretation of what was really going on?
Working on the internet for the past several years I've seen this happen so many times, often I end up trying to explain to others that what they perceived could actually be read not as an attack but totally in support of their position. How the world changes when alliances are made after a misconception.
How many times have you had to intervene is such a conundrum?
I can't imagine that any one writing like we do that this hasn't happened to any one else but me... I have to admit that there are times I feel I have to defend some of the things that I have written as they can be misinterpreted. It certainly is a test of character and fortitude to struggle and move forward through the strife that always manifests especially when confronting conflicting information. (ie. topics of a religious or political nature (and what in life is not?))
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Goth_Ink
Temperance
Joined: 19 Nov 2007
Posts: 2402
Karma: +16
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:13 pm Post subject:
Well Gary, I find that communication is limited when conversing with text and smilies. For a start, you cannot see the person typing to know what their body language or facial expressions are doing...and words (especially those in the English language) often have more than one meaning. Not to mention culturally specific terms which are lost in translation between different nationalities. So communication is kind of difficult on the internet and open to misinterpretation. I guess if you add in something like a sensitive subject e.g. religion, politics, etc then it only makes things more difficult.
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo
Hierophant
Joined: 23 Jun 2008
Posts: 206
Karma: +5
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:39 pm Post subject:
I just woke up to this and realized with new eyes weighing heavy on my thoughts the conversations I've been engaged in and the ability for others to communicate through dreams and visions clear images of strangers that they have never met, and having proved positive my self that indeed there is a connection... How?
I went out to eat, thinking about our Football team and the chances of us once again going for another national title, in our state we have two football teams going for the Superbowl, as I was driving in the Turnpike there were signs as the Turnpike authority was wondering if the Superbowl would be the Turnpike Superbowl... Now I'm not much of a football watcher with the stuff going on in my life, I could really careless about sports. But I will if I get the chance, I"ll follow what is playing if I'm near a Television. So there I was eating and watching the Pittsburg Steelers win this play off game. Now I had left that other site and came over hear and then wrote up some checks and went out to eat. So some 4 hours prior this other member left me a message and I had on my mind the whole time how did the Eagles do? Nope I had not seen how the Eagles had done, nothing on T.V. or the Radio. I was tuned in for the message of how the Eagles did... No answer, so I come back to MyLot and there is the answer, the Steelers were up by 6 and the Eagles had lost. Well not so incidental but the conversation in the thread really got me to thinking this was no coincidence. There is a hall of souls and they are all conected through a network not affiliated with the physical realm.
There are many, some suffering, some looking for answers, there must be a reason that I don't dream... Maybe I am better off that way, maybe not, maybe reading and connecting through this form of media is better as we learn to understand what it is we are trying to convey.
All I know is this is too great a task for any one individual.
Are you not also in AWE!!!
It seems to me a daunting and loving thing to be connected in such a way, I'm just saying that's all, if you would like that I link this up I'd be glad to show you as long as the messages aren't deleted... Some websites are funny that way... But I think there are some that have natural gifts and they are not sure about if the gift is real or not... That gets to the core issue... If the gift is real it changes our life and puts us in some other place... Back to the throught of the hall of souls...
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TheGreatWhiteBuffalo
Hierophant
Joined: 23 Jun 2008
Posts: 206
Karma: +5
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:42 pm Post subject:
Phone rings, the weather is bad we only had one delivery for today, they can wait until tomorrow. Simultaneous Post answer phone... Connected???
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Goth_Ink
Temperance
Joined: 19 Nov 2007
Posts: 2402
Karma: +16
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:40 am Post subject:
Oh i see where you are coming from . In awe? every day! Doesn't lose it's magic no matter how many times I see the connections played out. It fills me with joy watching others tap into and explore their own connection to that 'hall of souls' as you put it.
Should we intervene when it is obviously happening but the person involved is unaware...wellllll...I believe when they reach the time in their journey to awaken, they will. If I am meant to be a catalyst there will be signs for me too. An offer to meet others with similar experiences or a reassuring word that I have been where they are - nothing too intrusive or overwhelming. I think it is important that everyone has an opportunity to develop a natural relationship with this connectedness in their lives.
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:23 am Post subject:
Sounds like synchronicity you are describing here GWB. Synchronicity is a sign of the connectedness of all things.
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:43 am Post subject:
That is exactly how I see it and why I thought maybe best to put links and allow you to see what I am seeing and if you feel so moved then you are free to put in a word or two.
My fear is that people might feel overwhelmed or even panic when they awaken to this unheard of and unreal experience at which they might need some reassurance that this is not uncommon.
I'm finding more people who have these experiences and more evidence is available.
I think I have two responses (not the whole thread) I'd like to have you see... I'm going to assert this and insert those links, after which I will patiently await your thoughts and if you or others would like to have more of these links made available.
1st up is this one:
Look at responce #14 of Kijyky and Gnosisquest, especially Gnosisquest and his response about his daughter...
2nd up is this:
Post 16 here has a very interesting conversation... Now before I post the link you must understand this whole thread should have an adult only warning, it reads like a comic strip a really long comedy act...
If you have time and you are into this kind of banter have at it, if not read the response #16 and let me know what you think...
I thought I had another one, but for now these two will have to do...
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:45 am Post subject:
Hello Mab,
Yes, there is synchronicity and more...
Please, take a look for yourself and let's see where this goes...
Thank You,
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:10 am Post subject:
Bump,
Mab, Goth... ? Maybe Harmony, Gem, or even Moonie
Night Star there is an item that might be of special interest to you if you follow through on this it has something to do with a response to your question of what is up... If you recall my concern about Kijiky, well guess who of all people Gnosisquest is writing to... Odd? I'd also like to let you know that I gave a link to the herbs video to Lakota12... Somehow I get the idea that the three of you might become friends... There certainly are a lot of issues though; both of these ladies have been through tough times.
Night Star I also have a question about this vision I just had, I don't want to overburden you or anyone, so I had a vision of a person pulling their burdens loaded on top of two sticks everything was then drug behind in a very easy fashion. I don't remember the name of the cart like device; it worked like a sled or a cot. Do you know what the device is properly called? I'm thinking it could have been called a drag... But I'm not sure if that is correct...
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:11 am Post subject:
Goth_Ink wrote:
Well Gary, I find that communication is limited when conversing with text and smilies. For a start, you cannot see the person typing to know what their body language or facial expressions are doing...and words (especially those in the English language) often have more than one meaning. Not to mention culturally specific terms which are lost in translation between different nationalities. So communication is kind of difficult on the internet and open to misinterpretation. I guess if you add in something like a sensitive subject e.g. religion, politics, etc then it only makes things more difficult.
I wonder too, being who we are, and how we are open to many topics and open to seeing all views, we are easily misinterpreted by someone who doesn't share the same open-mindedness. They may take it as a offensive attack when in reality our comments are meant to question thought as opposed to challenge knowledge. Some people take offense when they are challenged to a new opinion, one that doesn't run along the same lines as theirs. Some people are afraid of new ideas. And because they are limited to their open-minded ness they read things wrong... and in turn... a arguement ensues.... does this make any sense, I am floating alittle tonight....
I get mis-interpreted all the time, because I am calm when I should be yelling, or because I can see humour when someone else can't...
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:24 am Post subject:
I believe there can be and is a interconnectedness between people. Happening on all different levels. Like Goth said, when people are ready for it, then it will happen. I also agree that people have to have a want for growing that power within them. Its scary for people who don't understand that they can somehow get other people, or hear or communicate with other people with out actually talking. Society being as close-minded as it is, shuns things that they don't understand... so when people can do this, they don't blurt it out, they hide it and then lose it...
maybe i am straying...
Yes I would like to validate any skills that I have aquired... are they skills??? I don' tknow what to call them
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:37 am Post subject:
Sorry Gary, I don't know what the proper name is for the cart thing you inquired about.
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:05 am Post subject:
I am a little hesitant to get involved in discussing mylot threads here on Light Warriors as I see it as a privacy issue. Gary, I know your heart is in the right place but please refrain from bringing discussions from other forums onto this one and then asking people here to get involved. I believe it is a violation of the terms of the other forum to share their threads for confidentiality reasons, and morally this does not sit well with me. As this is the basis of this thread I am going to lock it and remove the links.
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Thanks Night Star, I'll have to research it further to get the right term, I know I learned about this item from Boy Scouts, so maybe I should start there. You know how it is when you are looking for that one word and you know it when you find it.
I was in the bank today, and I tried to recall that item in the phone message that I was sharing with you all on the numerology thread. I said the one that best suits me is extreme or intense paranoia instead of irrational paranoia by the time I got to the car the word irrational came to my mind, at least I didn't have to spend half of a day trying to remember.
I also like taking notes, I jot things down all the time...
[b]Shannon[/b] In validating your skills, (good word while others call it a craft it could also be called a discipline) or mind control did you go to the links and find the particular infromation that I was trying to direct you to?
In the one response started by Kijiky, Gnosisquest responds to her with details of an event when he had a heart attack, he was revived and could see his daughter through telekinesis and came to with the paramedics performing CPR...
In the other discussion the two people had dreams, and had actually envisioned the presence of the other person. The gun shot wound after some other odd event previously that was just a little well you know, like something that was read or shared somewhere else. If this was not an act it would freak someone out, the sense that I got was this was not an act, but it is possible to fool me obviously, I don't like being played for a fool but it does happen.
The one that I am sure of is Gnosisquest, he had that experience and it is a true recollection of an event I have no doubts about his integrity, he is a wise man seeking the truth in all things, and if you look and know what to look for you can tell through his writings he is genuine and sincere.
As for to answer your questions about being misunderstood that happens all too often, you are not alone in finding things amusing when others do not or being calm when others expect you to be angry. That becoming aware outside of your self is really amazing is it not? You are not unique you are enlightened, but you still have to work with this knowledge it takes a great deal of time to hone your, skills/craft or the discipline of your mind.
The father Daughter connection???
In your daughters eyes?
This doesn't help, because I know, what I know...
Being contemplative something that I have always known...
Reading that removed thread, I saw my third missing link was the one about the football thing...
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