Wednesday, September 30, 2009

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Monday, September 28, 2009

Postal Confirmation Follow Up 9-28-09 & 9-29-2009


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  • 9-29-2009 I went to my local post office branch and asked about the missing certified letter. They suggested that I inquire with the branch where I mailed the letter from. So I traveled south to that branch having just enough time to get there before that office closed. I gave my receipt to the man at the counter and he had to go off to research my problem with a supervisor much like what happened in my local branch. This time the supervisor came over to the counter to explain that the letter went out of their office and down to an office and she showed me the number of the office I believe it was pretty clear that it was a Philadelphia branch office. She suggested that the letter might have been delivered and that branch did not follow through with the required signature which was a violation of what I was paying for. The letter appears to have been lost and my money was then refunded. She apologized and I filled out the form for the refund. Then she had to unlock the lobby to allow me out as it was closing time. While leaving I explained to her what I had gone through and she wished me luck in my endeavors.




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Sunday, September 27, 2009

The Bible




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I Threw My Bible Into the Trash

Submitted by realityaudit on Wed, 09/19/2007 - 18:31.
I really thought about it and I decided that I don't like religion. I don't like brainwashing, so I threw my Bible into the trash.

I have to tell you...
Submitted by TheGreatWhiteBuffalo on Wed, 09/19/2007 - 18:49.
Taking all the verses that are used to bend our thoughts in different directions putting down the Bible and following your good heart might be the best thing a violated victim can do.
We are violated when we are victimized and recognize the brainwashing and twisting, the duality, the hypocrisy and the contradictions.
Like being counter intuitive sometimes you have to do things that don't quite look right to get to the truth.
Normally I draw the forks out of material I drop off. I draw the forks back to the vehicle or tower. But the other day I would have been better identifying that if I sweep the forks away from the tower or vehicle I wouldn't fight so much with the overhead tree limbs. A good operator would know the best way to work efficiently, alas; I have developed habits that are hard to break. Looking back at the instant that I knew, I learned and will think more critically next time, or so I hope I will.
But this counter intuitive thought can be applied to the Bible the key question is this really the will of GOD?
Maybe a new look will open your eyes for the real good stuff that exists. Now that you know the absurd stuff that is not healthy.
I have a lot of thoughts from beginning to end.
I'd like to take another look at the Creation story to think on a procreative thought about the story of the fall of people.
There has been a lot written on this subject already and in due time I hope to cover more on those topics.
Peace,


"God's so called will"
Submitted by realityaudit on Wed, 09/19/2007 - 19:31.
Everybody's "God's will" is only something else to argue about. It isn't that important and I am tired of reading about religion. It is a waste of time and energy. The Bible is the same old stories...and there are millions, maybe billions of copies of the same old holy stories.


Well if the world isn't any different today than it was 2000 or?
Submitted by TheGreatWhiteBuffalo on Wed, 09/19/2007 - 19:47.
5,000 years ago, then we are repeating the same old stories, maybe we need to revist them same old stories and look for another way out of the cycle or loop that keeps repeating itself.
Let's start at the beginning again, let's look at the events recorded about creation? Do we know more today than they did way back then?
New technology reveals new things, especially in the universe.


Who is "we"?
Submitted by realityaudit on Wed, 09/19/2007 - 21:35.
Who is "we"?
I am tired of the brainwashing.



Brainwashing?
Submitted by BishopBigans on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 02:41.
How can a book brainwash you? A person an only be "Brainwashed" by another person, and only if the former is weak-minded. I don't think that the fact that I believe in God means I have been brainwashed.

I book cannot brainwash you and
Submitted by realityaudit on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 23:47.
Many people believe in God, and their God fits all different descriptions. And the God authorities (church figures, and leaders from other religions) seem to know exactly what God's will is for everyone else.
You have the right to believe what you want, but don't force it on me.
I have read enough of the Bible to form my opinion that it is a bood filled with holes. And I have the right to say that.
Al Quaida isn't brainwashed either? Ask them. Religion begets extremists and they don't know they are brainwashed.
Some people are adept at brainwashing. Hitler was one of the best at brainwashing (of course, I don't believe he was a good person at all); are you saying that all of the German people at that time were weak minded? I don't believe they were.


Bible does not teach religion
Submitted by Darius on Fri, 09/21/2007 - 01:54.
I at one time in my life was brainwashed by a religion, but the bible or God for that matter didn't have anything to do with it. I read my bible of course but God communicates in many ways not just his written word. We all have been blessed with the ability to reason and use logic to see past religion so we can have a personal relationship with our loving creator. All through history people have been abused by the religious(self righteous) and have tried to force others to believe as they do but God does not teach use to act that way. He expects use to love others regardless of their race,social bracket,income etc; showing by our example how to live as his chidren. We might try to convince ourselves otherwise but we all sin,we all are only saved by grace, not anything we do or say. Many have come into a relationship with God having never read the bible, the Holy Spirit leads us to the truth about God. Nothing will ever convince me that God doesn't love me because I have seen with my own eyes miracles and I know what I was without him. Keep the faith.



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According to the Pope ***(Incomplete)***

Submitted by Familyfunandfaith on Sat, 07/14/2007 - 00:21.

Were you as interested as I was to read that the pope has ruled that the Catholic Church is the only true church. The statement he released a few days ago deemed that protestant churches are "Christian communities" but not churches. I am sure the pontiff believes that the Catholic Church is the original church.
But the Catholic Church is a man made organization that has promoted their traditions to equal or superior authority as the Scriptures. The Bible indicates that the true church of Christ is not man made and is not joined by our choice. In Acts 2 we read that those who are saved are are “added” by Christ to His church. So everyone who obeys the gospel, as specified by the Bible, is a member of Christ’s church.
And no man has the authority to change that church.
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Oh boy, I see a disagreement here....
Submitted by merryone on Sat, 07/14/2007 - 00:50.
I'm not familiar with the actual quote, so if you point me to a reference, I'll look - though I think this is a bit of a misinterpretation of the intent of the statement that was made by the Pope.
If you go to The Holy See (the Vatican's website - I don't have the link right this second but you can find it by googling) You can find the Church's stance on other denominations that are not Roman Catholic.
The following is an excerpt from the site which explains, in part, the beliefs we adhere to - I'll include the full answer (the numbers relate to clauses in a document of church teaching which can also be researched if you are so inclined). The third paragragh relates directly to the Church's stance on other denominations:
"...What is the meaning of the affirmation that the Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church?
RESPONSE
Christ “established here on earth” only one Church and instituted it as a “visible and spiritual community”, that from its beginning and throughout the centuries has always existed and will always exist, and in which alone are found all the elements that Christ himself instituted. “This one Church of Christ, which we confess in the Creed as one, holy, catholic and apostolic […]. This Church, constituted and organised in this world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, governed by the successor of Peter and the Bishops in communion with him”.[7]
In number 8 of the Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium ‘subsistence’ means this perduring, historical continuity and the permanence of all the elements instituted by Christ in the Catholic Church[8], in which the Church of Christ is concretely found on this earth.
It is possible, according to Catholic doctrine, to affirm correctly that the Church of Christ is present and operative in the churches and ecclesial Communities not yet fully in communion with the Catholic Church, on account of the elements of sanctification and truth that are present in them.[9] Nevertheless, the word “subsists” can only be attributed to the Catholic Church alone precisely because it refers to the mark of unity that we profess in the symbols of the faith (I believe... in the “one” Church); and this “one” Church subsists in the Catholic Church.[10]
..."
So, from my perspective, if I understand your post correctly, it's a combination of things that are at play here - first, we don't believe that the Church is a man made organization, we trace our inception directly back to Christ. The idea that other Christian churches are not the 'one' can be interpreted as a matter of language - the actual teaching neither denegrates nor invalidates the sanctity of other denominations - the belief is, in the end all Christians will come together in the one true Church of Christ.


Wow, Merryone, my internet connection has been down all day
Submitted by Familyfunandfaith on Sat, 07/14/2007 - 18:20.
at home, so I came to the office to do a few things. It seems as though I missed out on a fun discussion. As you know I appreciate the fact that you are willing to discuss your faith and state your positions openly and passionately. It is one of the reasons I enjoy you so much.
My post was prompted by an article this week is the Houston Chronicle called Vatican reasserts Roman Catholic primacy, here it is in full
July 10, 2007, 10:53PM
Vatican reasserts Roman Catholic primacy
Statement cites defects of other Christian churches
By FRANCIS X. ROCCA
Religion News Service
VATICAN CITY — The Vatican on Tuesday reasserted the primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, saying that other Christian churches suffer defects and that Protestant denominations cannot be called churches "in the proper sense."
The statement, "ratified and confirmed" by Pope Benedict XVI and published with his approval, purports to correct "erroneous interpretation" and "misunderstanding" of the teachings of the Second Vatican Council of the 1960s, which paved the way for ecumenical dialogue between Catholics and other Christians.
The new document said Vatican II "neither changed nor intended to change" the teaching that the "one Church of Christ ... subsists in the Catholic Church" alone. Other Christian denominations, it argues, can also be "instruments of salvation," but "suffer from defects."
The statement brought swift criticism from Protestant leaders. "It makes us question whether we are indeed praying together for Christian unity," said the World Alliance of Reformed Churches, a fellowship of 75 million Protestants in more than 100 countries.
"It makes us question the seriousness with which the Roman Catholic Church takes its dialogues with the reformed family and other families of the church," the group said.
It was the second time in a week that the pope has addressed what he says are erroneous interpretations of Vatican II, the meetings that modernized the church. On Saturday, he revived the Latin Mass — a move cheered by traditionalists.
Tuesday's document said Eastern Orthodox churches, though lacking communion with Rome, nonetheless deserve the term "church" because their priests follow in the succession of bishops and priests that started in the early Christian church.
Protestant denominations, however, "because of the absence of the sacramental priesthood, have not preserved the genuine and integral substance of the Eucharistic Mystery," and are therefore to be termed mere "Christian communities."
The Associated Press contributed to this report.



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Did Jesus actually die on a cross?

Submitted by huttriver14 on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 20:56.

Did Jesus actually die on a Cross? I asked Sire this question on WritingUp last year - he recalls the question posed in my post and also that he commented on it as well.
For two thousand years the cross has been the most recognisable religious symbol of all; millions around the world wear one around their necks,while others revere the symbol as the sacred instrument on which Jesus was put to death on Calvary hill. But was it actually a cross?
It has been written that crosses actually preceded the Christian era, being used by the ancient Babylonians as symbols for worshipping their fertility god Tammaz. The cross soon spread into Egypt, India,Syria and China; centuries later the ancient Israelites adulterated their worship with that of Tammaz as well.
When referring to the instrument of execution for Jesus' death; Mathew,Mark, Luke and John all used the word stau-ros' in their gospels- this refers to an upright pole,stake or post!
The apostle Peter reportedly used the word xylon, meaning tree as a synonym for stau-ros' - not a two beamed cross, but an upright timber or tree.It was apparently about 300 years after Jesus' death that the idea he was put to death on a two beamed cross was promoted by some professed Christians. Since then the Cross has become the symbol of his death and a Christian icon!
I am pleased to reintroduce this post from my archives for your interest here.
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How can you prove that Jesus actually died on the cross?
Submitted by TheGreatWhiteBuffalo on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 21:27.
Are you going to offer recolections of writers that wanted to believe that Jesus actually died?
They couldn't see the obvious so they wrote from their perspective. What other examples do you need to read that we should be familiar with when it comes to current events. It is the same lie being told over and over.
What is the truth, one pole a pole and a beam it doesn't mean that Jesus actually died on one or the other design your content has nothing to do with proving the answer to the question.
What are the Myths of Jesus?
Did Jesus actually exist?
These are important questions to ask before you listen to any leader of any organized religion that wishes to hold to a flawed doctorine.
How do I know the Bible has a flawed doctorine, well let's start with the fact that I can read, and if I can read I can write.
Could Jesus write? I'll bet that everything that Jesus ever wrote was destroyed.
How can you find what no longer exists?
What I believe is that Jesus taught from the heart, and that the teachings of the Heart of GOD are divine. From that perspective you will have knowledge of good and bad.


Oral Tradition
Submitted by communat on Wed, 09/19/2007 - 10:15.
Gary wrote: "Could Jesus write? I'll bet that everything that Jesus ever wrote was destroyed."
What does that have to do with the cross? In Jesus time and before, most things were transmitted by oral tradition. The authors of the biblical books set history to text for future generations. One of Jesus' many names is in fact, "The Word."
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I suppose one could assume
Submitted by Sire on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 03:25.
I suppose one could assume that if a person could read he could also write. That being the case then the as Bible shows that Jesus could read, he would also be able to write.
St. Luke 4:16,17
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written.....
and then he read from the book.

My post was not about doubt...
Submitted by huttriver14 on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 21:30.
but about the means of his execution.I'm not a great church going man, but I have no doubts about Jesus. What gets up my nose is the drivel that some attribute to this man.


Doubt is the other side of the coin...
Submitted by TheGreatWhiteBuffalo on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 22:22.
I have no doubt that Jesus existed, what I doubt is as you say the drivel that some attribute to the man.
In the day a virgin birth was the first birth of a child. The term virgin has evolved into a term of purity and abstinence so this new translation flaws the script.
The death on the cross that could easily have been a revival was turned into a grave error by worshipping the person and not following the teachings.
Would Jesus want to be worshipped as the tool for war?
From the perspective of GOD Or The ultimate Sacrafice
There is a diplomatic solution and Islam like the enemy of democracy that is just like the word Communist was as it was created for and used back in the 1950's to create the cold war.
The new enemy isn't the terrorist, it is the Islamist.
President Bush is turning the war straight into a religious war based upon idealistic values.
President Bush and his supporters are going to lose big...


Now you have hit it...
Submitted by huttriver14 on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 22:31.
Islam is the new Communism!



Where did you get this?
Submitted by communat on Wed, 09/19/2007 - 10:18.
"In the day a virgin birth was the first birth of a child. The term virgin has evolved into a term of purity and abstinence so this new translation flaws the script."
You don't think people knew what a virgin was back then? C'mon. People could build pyramids and all sorts of wonders, but they didn't know a virgin was?
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I have no way to even guess about this
Submitted by Trick Falls on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 21:58.
Most of the testimony was written so long after the fact and has been re-translated to many times by people with one agenda or another, that stating an opinion here would be pretty much my "making it up."
The cross, of course, in many people's minds refers to the soul perched (so to speak) on the physical body, and that image is a powerful one regardless of whether the original was a tree or a pole.
TF

You may find this post of
Submitted by Sire on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 22:08.
You may find this post of interest.
Really it matters not whether he died on a cross or a stake, only that he died so that those who believed could be saved.


As someone said...
Submitted by huttriver14 on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 22:08.
so long ago now, does it really matter?


I quickly read the first part of the article...
Submitted by huttriver14 on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 22:13.
I agree. I put it on my favourites as a resource. Thanks, mate!



No worries mate. Also as
Submitted by Sire on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 22:15.
No worries mate. Also as this post mentions, it seems that as two nails were used one would surmise a cross rather than a single post


Two nails?
Submitted by TheGreatWhiteBuffalo on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 22:29.
One in each wrist and one in his feet. The problem is that what many believe are that three nails were used and with out the exact particulars do to the expunging of the existence of the man. It is really hard to know the truth.
What was important is what was remembered and what was recorded that can be proven.
Jesus existed.
Jesus is claimed to have taught at a synagogue at an early age.
Jesus taught to many, with no need for scrolls, he spoke with authority.
Jesus had a group of followers.
Jesus was crucified and walked away from the tomb after a hasty removal from the cross.

In regards to two nails I
Submitted by Sire on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 22:37.
In regards to two nails I meant one in each hand. It they had nailed him to a pole only one nail would have been needed.


Sire my understanding is this...
Submitted by TheGreatWhiteBuffalo on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 23:04.
Jesus had to carry the cross beam to the pole onto which he would be placed and crucified with outstretched arms.
His legs were not broken and the spear used to pierce his side could have been a mechanical tool to give the illusion of being speared.
Jesus could have passed out from the lack of sleep two days or more knowing that this was going to be the real deal. Jesus needed to survive and have friends to help revive him so the real question is did Jesus die?
A better question that you need to ask yourself is did Jesus have to die for your sins? Are you a killer?
You see if your god requires such a sacrafice then your god isn't big enough to forgive with a word. If your god can't forgive with a word how could your god create with a word?
My GOD is the GOD of Creation. There is only one GOD and my GOD is not evil. My GOD does not have two parts one part wrath and one part love. My GOD is only Love, Pure and Holy...


The reason they did not have
Submitted by Sire on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 23:16.
The reason they did not have to break his bones is because he had already died as was required to fulfill scripture. I am not a killer but according to scripture the answer is yes he did have to die. This does not make God evil as He knew that his Son would be resurrected.
In those days they believed in sacrifices of animals for the absolution of sins, but this was only temporary requiring more sacrifices. Jesus being without sin was the ultimate sacrifice especially because he went to his death willingly.


Ah had already died or appeared to be dead?
Submitted by TheGreatWhiteBuffalo on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 23:26.
There is a difference and that difference is enough to lead me to a conclusion that the death of Jesus was only a feigning of a person who was subject to extreme stress.
My wife feigned I thought she died, I called out to her and there was no response, then she revived, she wasn't out for very long, but it was long enough to give me a scare. And how could I explain what had happened? It was a real difficult time in our lives.
I believe that her heart stopped because her complexion went very pale... It was quite the kiss...


One believes what one
Submitted by Sire on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 23:30.
One believes what one wishes.


Another Great Phrase to Mislead, Confuse and Conflict People
Submitted by TheGreatWhiteBuffalo on Sun, 09/09/2007 - 08:26.
See no Evil, Speak no Evil, Hear no Evil = Knowing no Evil.
You and I both know that People can be nasty, mean and evil. To exist in a society is to know Evil and to expose that evil we need to do more than wish.
How did the Jewish nation make a Messiah? Together the Jewish nation and the Roman Empire both expunged the existence and knowledge of this man Jesus.
That sounds pretty evil to me. The damage is done, but to worship Jesus is to reject the teachings of Jesus.
I would rather follow the footsteps of Jesus and have a personal walk with GOD knowing the reward of Heaven awaits me for eternity. I know this to be true through personal experience and vision.

Jesus died!
Submitted by Darius on Sun, 09/09/2007 - 00:40.
Great research hutt.Yes most christians are misinformed about the method used by the romans during this period a single pale of wood was used with no cross member to make it a t shape found in many churches.However that does not change the fact he died and arose.Whether his arms where placed over his head or stretched wide matters not because he is alive and by his stripes we are healed,I can attest to that as well as many others.Keep the faith.

Yep, Jesus died on a cross.
Submitted by communat on Sun, 09/09/2007 - 10:21.
So say the Scriptures, so I believe.
Are Scriptures reliable? See here.
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You talk. I'll listen.


Don't believe just the bits and pieces
Submitted by TheGreatWhiteBuffalo on Sun, 09/09/2007 - 10:35.
I trust what GOD has revealed, I don't trust the bits and pieces that man has recorded.
In a day of the Lord, is that a 24 hour time period?
Who determines the measure of anything? Not I...
How is the small great and the great small in the eyes of GOD?
Belief...
What do you believe?

Interesting comments...
Submitted by huttriver14 on Sun, 09/09/2007 - 19:56.
friends.


Fascinating, huttriver.
Submitted by James25 on Mon, 09/10/2007 - 10:13.
Just remember to 'always look on the bright side of life', whether on a cross or a pole..

I'll remember that...
Submitted by huttriver14 on Fri, 09/21/2007 - 23:29.
mate next ime I'm strung up!lol


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Poetry and Poets

Are there poets that you admire? I like Haiku and poetry so here I will share information and list these sources as I find them.

Introduction to Haiku by Haiku Mix - Communati *Communati links are dead*

What is the latest post by Haiku Mix - Communati *Communati links are dead*



My Poetry

  1. My Poetry Light

  2. My Poetry

  3. My Poetry Dark



Other Poets:

Our own 'Sire' has a few Poems that he posted... *Sire I need a link to your group of poems*

Reginald Heber

The Hero of Zero is quite the poet. - Communati *Communati links are dead*

Rudyard Kipling A poet that needs no introduction.


Bill Tremblay
is a published Poet and English teacher at Colorado University.

How about The Songs of Hafiz?

Hey Sire, thank you for the compliment...H0Z
Submitted by Hero of Zero on Thu, 09/13/2007 - 19:39.
...my poetry doesn't get that many plugs. Thank you very much for adding a link too. -Cliff Pyke aka Hero of Zero.


HoZ
Submitted by Sire on Thu, 09/13/2007 - 19:49.
As much as I like your poems, that wasn't me that gave the compliment, it was Gary.


You're right Sire, this is GWB's post...Oops!
Submitted by Hero of Zero on Thu, 09/13/2007 - 20:46.
...Sorry for the confusion there Sire. I must not have been paying attention to where I was when I came in to read this post. Oops!
...Well now, to correct my error...thank you Great White Buffalo, for the compliment and the link...I'm glad you like my poetry man! -Cliff Pyke aka H0Z
PS. I like the words and music of Roky Erickson(13th Floor Elevators/Aliens fame) it's poetic stuff. I don't really own any works of poetry or prose by the great poets of the ages though.


You're quite welcome
Submitted by TheGreatWhiteBuffalo on Thu, 09/13/2007 - 21:00.
Silken mentioned link love, it does feel good to be noticed for something that is creative and good, I see your talent shining through.


Peace and blessings to you too GWB...H0Z.
Submitted by Hero of Zero on Thu, 09/13/2007 - 21:24.
...So GWB, Silken calls that warm feeling of acceptance one gets when finding a link to there blog "link love" huh! I like that term, it fits the feeling...-Cliff Pyke


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From the Perspective of GOD and good gifts...

The analogy used in the Republic the book by Plato about the conversations of Socrates used an example of prisoners chained to a cave wall, one was allowed free to see and explore the outside, the prisoners could see shadows through the cave enterance the light of day reflected off of the cave wall and shadows of people moving around could be seen.

Upon observing the rituals of the people outside bringing gifts to the temple or carrying special poles to honor individual god's the outsider knew what all of the shadows represented. Upon returning to the cave to be chained back up again, he tried to explain to the other prisoners what each shadow represented.

The once free person knew the purpose for the passers by, he watched the gifts that the people gave to the institution of religion the particular path that the outsiders would choose. The once free man knew each and every detail.

What was brought as an offering? How did the rich control the poor; and how the church controlled all of the wealth. Who controlled the church?

People of one family gathered around cooking an animal offering (Pig or Cow) on a spit, a portion (10%) would be removed and put with everyone elses' offering (other families.) Like many family reunions all gathering together at one big festival, there would be much offerred to each and everyone. Food and drink would be shared and a special portion would be set aside for people who were and are poor with serious needs. A tenth of 20 families provides 200% more food in total than each individual family brings to the festival. Each family with 90% of what they brought has more than enough to provide for each individual, some families are large and bring twice as much while some are small and only bring a little all they need with the gift of 10% and a little extra.

The division of wealth was never equal, some gave more than others could afford.

The gift given for the poor was distributed through one organization. In the beginning 10% would be removed to pay for administration, but greed took a hold of those with the position of oversight, they decided they could siphon off more than 10% and use it for pet projects, these projects in the name of their god, soon more and more was diverted until nothing was left to go to the poor.

The diverted gifts would be sold to build great structures the government soon became involved and taxed every citizen. Books were used to convince people of the need to give, the books were corrupted some had a pair of books one for show and the other that they used to live by. In the end it was all a lie, they were taking from the poor and giving back to the rich or excusing the rich from participating. Eventually the only people that would keep the business afloat was the poor. Poor in spirit and financially poor doing what they were told to do to believe blindly never thinking outside of the box. The leadership was well versed in convincing the poor to give and this added burden contributed to a massive movement. The movement would set free the poor and expose the wicked ways of the rich, everyone would be able to see the reality the plain obstructions preventing fair trade, as people became possessions, oppressed and occupied.

In the end it was the government and the religious structures that would lead to the great decay the great corruption that would rule the culture until a new day, when people would wake up from their sleep and decide to take back control from the overgrown bush. The roots of the organization were very strong, but after constant prunning the bush became more managable and eventually easy to remove.

Poisoned plants like poisoned people are taking everything from your family for many generations to come.

We need a new way to expose the culture of corruption to take the people in charge of dividing our nation, our world and isolating us as we can't think or see through their lies.

Imagine the Discussion, between the one who had a taste of freedom and came back to share with former friends the shadows that they saw, the gifts that were being carried, the reason for the procession. All of this for a purpose. The shadows were no different, than the slaves chained to the wall. They all had the power of god they were actually all the same. Convinced to give or hang for all time. They couldn't see outside of their cave, the world and rituals were just processions of repitition, one day or week after another. Even those in the light of day were living in as much darkness as those in the cave. They needed to see from far out and aside. Instead they could only follow like a chain of ants, a parade nose to tail the free made me sad, as I saw how enslaved they would be, they could have traded places with those chained to the wall.

They all missed the vision of true freedom, the ability to have a friend in a greater spirit and power that is available to each and every one. Together they could have been connected we all have the ability working together to change our world. We could all be a vesel for peace and cooperation.

The Original "Think Outside the Box?"
Submitted by The Geminian on Tue, 09/04/2007 - 04:11.
what is it like now? Would you trade it for ignorance (and its' sweet bliss that I miss?)
To have pulled your head from the ground so long ago and from since till now, seen a sea of arses with their heads still firmly planted in the ground? It is a sh^dy outlook to have only seen people arses.
Man that was thousands of years ago and still so many "slaves." We are on a fool's errand!
To just put your head back would be better wouldn't it? If you could somehow unknow things?
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Between Heaven and Earth

Between Heaven and Earth there is a fine line, pollution that prevents us from being pure, cleansed by the atmosphere our waters absorb these airborne particles carried across our back yards and distributed all around the globe? The dirt lingers on land or is washed to the sea and in the spiritual sense the pollution of humanity has invaded many of our lives as lies. We need to open our spiritual minds to see the truth that is revealed by the truth Sayers and what they have to share for our future depends on our knowing the truth about our present and past. The current course of humanity is on a path of destruction that can be changed to helping others to be encouraged and proactive, the nurturing force positively reinforcing the life that is so fragile in need of support. Exposing the sources of the lies and the liars that steal the future from our children and pretend that money has no value, spending on every pet project that comes along. Our leaders have bought and spent more than their share of the capitol that they earned, these tyrants that control the purse strings as if every drop of sea water was a dollar and that they can do as they please with out suffering consequences have run amuck in our world and destroyed our credibility among nations. These war mongering pollutants that make up the political establishment need to be held to account for their current decisions and future ramifications. These are the people that have wasted the fuels of today and tomorrow smoking and burning every good thing that could be used by all and for all. Instead the few have chosen to waste as much as they possibly can and could; their greed exceeds the limits of conscionable need. Even a poor man or woman can partake in this ultimate control of the good that won’t be provided to future generations. The rise of anti cultural beliefs and acceptance of perversion through out all of the genres of society will lead us all down a path of desolation and depression. For some the universe is an egg awaiting the inception to conceive and grow the life abundant and for others we are the cancer the curse a wretched disease that kills the host eventually committing suicide. The dark side of life is created by the lies that we are told and the lies that we tell our children to be passed along to future generations until they can no longer exist because they lost their way the pollution of humanity starts as little particles and accumulates building inside passed along from one to the next there eventually is no escape we begin with what we are given and tend to have much taken away from us as we grow. The good and moral sign ethical contracts with a will to honor those deals their word is good their name is a seal written and signed barring unforeseen circumstances each point the letter of the contract will be honored and yet we look around and see that some people are given much for very little effort they find ways to achieve great masses of wealth; seemingly at the expense of family and friends. Some people have found ways to scam the system by lying and cheating. It is this harm that is caused to others that is the pollution of humanity and our society needs to expose this corruption and clean it up. We need to be proactive in caring for our host the Earth the only planet in the Universe that sustains life and has the ability to support life for many thousands of generations to come, if we don’t wipe out the blotch that is the decay of humanity and if we don’t fix what is wrong with our species, we could all suffer the fate of extinction, a premature death of life that could have survived.

Are we the cure or the curse? Are we the cancer, the pollutant, the pollution that invades and consumes, causing all to rot and decay?

Are we the beautiful spirit the Love of Life and the cure finding ways to make our world a better place for our children and others around us learning to know the truth and reaching out to share showing how much we all care?

What is our legacy, what will be our future?

Life’s Blessings depend on our working together to help others tell the truth.

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The Ultimate Sacrifice...

When we hear of people making the ultimate sacrifice we know it usually is the last thing they will ever do, for some they sacrifice all they have and live on infamously, while others give everything they have including their lives and live famously for ever. When I hear about people making the ultimate sacrifice I think of special people who I believe are heroes, people like Jesus, or Martin Luther King Jr., there are so many people that have put aside everything in their life to sacrifice, an ultimate sacrifice because they know that nothing will allow them to have the time back that they are about to loose. The cause large or small has to be important, not just to one but to all.


(I'll think about this one some more ;)

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Building Bridges

In the world of falling expanses, we know that the known issues could be identified if the records were clear and transparent.

The failure is government bound, all around.

Better to spend our children's income in another country to line the pockets of the Rich.

The violated are the ones abused or killed for lies, the victims are our children.

Are you willing to send your children into a war built upon lies while our country falls apart all around us?

Let's celebrate our ingenuity...

Hail the king of lies...

Rome survives...

We're not to Jewish are we?

Our eyes focused on them and not on Us...

The JIC certainly has created a mess of the creation.

What will be next?

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Church Signs & Sins

The sign above the entry way to all churches should read as a warning to those who would enter through those doors. "In here, lies tales of evil teachings through words spoken and written."

Where the truth is supposed to be taught often times these groups are led down paths to cause harm to others as a result victims are violated, by these cults that act like big gangs harming society. The truth is veiled and prevented to be seen while the evil is covered up and the darkness of evil is allowed to grow and consume through greed and addiction to power and control.

We need to unveil the truth and expose the evil to the sun light removing the corruption and taking us (humanity) into a new day.

Other posts of similar thought can be found here:

  • Church Signs

    1. 10-5-09 "The only way to God the father is to accept his salvation through him the son."
      • I take complete issue and offense to this sign as they clearly do not understand the true nature of the Universal GOD the Creator of Earth and the Heavens existing forever in the Universe, this GOD that is male and female that created Jesus who was the Final Substitutional Sacrifice for Life and not the Savior of Sins. We are given instructions on the way to repair our sins. We need justice to expose the sins (the lies and thefts) in order to obtain eternal life.


  • Finding good through the bad


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    Church Signs

    Visitors Welcome,
    Every Seat comes with first class service,

    What's missing
    The destination


    The goal as we know it is to bring people to a place of pure and holy peace,

    The flaw is to teach of the opposite of what is pure and holy with respect to a place that doesn't exist. The myth of hell is the source of major conflict and destruction.

    It would be better to expunge hell and the teachings of hell from the scriptures to wipe out of existence any such a thing or place.

    It would be better to have a sole understanding that souls that don't find their way to heaven will be cast out of existence, into a darkness, alone without the light of love and the consequences of separation.

    A deep depression in the universe like that created by a black hole, pulling into and removing all of the bad from that which is created good.


    • 9-30-2009 Traveling up County Line Road in the Warminster area I passed a Church sign that was posted - Prophecy Awakens - In light of current events, I would have to say that this sign is accurate

    • 10-5-09 "The only way to God the father is to accept his salvation through him the son."
      • I take complete issue and offense to this sign as they clearly do not understand the true nature of the Universal GOD the Creator of Earth and the Heavens existing forever in the Universe, this GOD that is male and female that created Jesus who was the Final Substitutional Sacrifice for Life and not the Savior of Sins. We are given instructions on the way to repair our sins. We need justice to expose the sins (the lies and thefts) in order to obtain eternal life.




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    Humanistics the Atheist Church

    Chaplain Greg Epstein a Harvard Professor has Identified a need for Atheists to organize to build a structure for their secular community to develop a religion that is absent from GOD.

    Many of the key points that were discussed in the show that I was listening to I did agree with. How we are all social creatures in need of a strong community connection and that we must share in order to stay connected.

    Helping others is a key to the moral code, but a building is not needed. There is another way.

    There is an individual approach that doesn't require any specific leader.

    We move together and yet independent of each other helping each other on the way up. Passing down to each other the means to survive, giving knowledge and encouraging others to grow.

    That sounds social without the 'ism'.
    Submitted by realityaudit on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 22:09.
    And without the confusion of who's will is it?


    The show I listened to was interesting...
    Submitted by TheGreatWhiteBuffalo on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 22:18.
    I'm fixing up a post about that show and maybe if you follow up you can find an archive or pod cast and get the whole picture.
    It was as I said it was interesting, although I think it is trying to do the same thing that has been failing us for so long.
    We do need a little more freedom. The freedoms that we currently have are less than the freedoms that our parents grew up with.
    Why is that?


    The Freedoms
    Submitted by realityaudit on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 23:07.
    Do you have a certain segment of the population in mind?
    The freedoms today aren't fewer freedoms than my parents grew up with.
    There are more laws today, and some of those laws are good and to advance the freedoms of minorities. They are to stop the legal restrictions of the minority person the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The lack of freedom is in how many times the laws are broken. When a law is broken upon you, you have less freedom. The heavier the injuries, the heavier the burden, the less freedom you have. Your freedom was stolen. You are buried in burden. And if the culprit remains at large, they have your freedom, and theirs. The thief has stolen your right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
    And that isn't to say that criminal behavior only happens against minorities.
    Also, many people today are more hung up on 'things', because there are more things to want.


    Actually, this is exactly
    Submitted by birdiesquill on Fri, 09/21/2007 - 10:58.
    Actually, this is exactly how the first century Christian Church grew--but then someone came up with an idea for buildings and separation of clergy and the the congregation--and well now we have all kinds of divisions which are called denominations.

    The idea
    Submitted by realityaudit on Fri, 09/21/2007 - 22:43.
    Jesus started that. Peter lead.
    And then Paul was to lead the early church.
    The idea is all through the Old Testament. Scribes and Pharoses were leaders.
    People have always needed leaders. And mostly the leaders are separate from the so-called common folk. The ‘Sheep’ need their shepherd.



    Freedoms have...
    Submitted by huttriver14 on Fri, 09/21/2007 - 23:20.
    responsibilties to others.

    Responsibilities?
    Submitted by realityaudit on Fri, 09/21/2007 - 23:33.
    Please clarify as to what you mean when you say responsibilities?


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    The poor Pastor

    In the news this morning I heard about a man that took out loans to go to school his interest was in ministry and went to seminary. After graduating from school he took several part time jobs that only paid minimum wage. After about three years he landed a job as a pastor of a chruch where he in his lifetime never earned more than $25,000 he lived below the poverty line in America. When he delivered his first sermon he was already in default on his loan. Hoping the problem would go away he has already paid double and owes more than the value of his loan. I believe it was reported that his loans will continue until the year 2026, the original loan was only $17,000... I certainly think that things need to be changed in regard to people and their ability to pay any loan but I have to wonder why in this story were certain details left out. In the midst of the article I learned that the man does have a retirement account, so money is being put aside for future needs, this is good, some pastors choose to rely soley on congregations that they have served and the generosity of others.

    When needs exceed the ability of the people to give a lot of people will end up hurt.

    I see a day coming that Pastor's and Preachers will wish that they had planned better for their future.

    What I didn't see was his housing arrangements as anyone that rents or pays a mortgage knows housing can be very expensive and free housing is quite a benefit, it should be included as income to have housing and cars supplied by the congregation, this is a true asset and offsets the lower wages received. The other side of the coin is that a growing church in a growing community will provide for a Pastor quite well, so what I don't understand is how the man tripped and fell?

    I'm fighting the good fight to pay all of my bills. I wish I was bill free, and I should be further ahead instead of behind as a result of another person's lie.

    Poverty line
    Submitted by gracepub on Tue, 07/10/2007 - 18:27.
    I had a talk with my daughter about that. She wanted to pay $40 000 to become a vet's assistant and make the same wages she would working as a night supervisor in a local fast food joint. Stupid.
    I would like to see this man's budget. I could probably tell you why he still owes on his loan.
    I once knew a man raising 3 girls on $14 000 a year. He didn't owe a mortgage, and lived in a very rural area. The girls had 'enough' and dressed nice. When I asked how he did it (because my X was a project manager and I barely fed my 2 kids) This man said, 'I budget daily. Each day has $XX.xx to spend. When it is gone, I do not spend anymore.'
    I have budgeted that way ever since. And, the funny thing is - about 4 years ago I attended a seminar where a business manager learned the same principal - IN HARVARD.....


    preacher's salaries
    Submitted by silken on Tue, 07/10/2007 - 19:01.
    at least as far as I know, being married to a minister, are often hard to work with. we do have a comfortable lifestyle, but nothing as far as having cars, insurance or housing supplied for us-though a housing allowance is given for tax purposes. we have hardly anything saved for retirement. My husband had opened an IRA and we could only put in a small portion before our son was born. we lived without insurance or saving for the next 14 yrs. I think that last year was the first time since that we have been able to do that. It is hard.
    I really like gracepub's suggestion. I've never budgeted daily.



    Wrong Religion
    Submitted by gracepub on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 01:07.
    Either you are in the wrong religion, or the wrong country. The pastor down the road makes sixty thousand, plus house allowance, for a church with a 32 person membership.
    The base amount in this religion is $45 000. I thought most people became pastors because they received a fixed income for working 2 - 3 days a week. - guess not.


    24/7 for the preachers I know
    Submitted by silken on Thu, 07/12/2007 - 20:47.
    and when they are not in the office, out ministering, visiting the sick and needy, doing camps and bible studies, they are "on call" for the rest of the day....

    I heard this story on NPR this morning as well..in debt preacher
    Submitted by American Rhetor... on Tue, 07/10/2007 - 21:40.
    Well I have so say I listened to this as well. The funny thing that stuck out for me was that this is a man of "God" who ignored his bills hoping they would go away..... Now I don't know about his religion but that is hardly something I would expect a preacher to do.... what's with that????
    I know a lot of people who have had student loans. Yes it does make your life a bit slow on the starting line but the reason one goes to college is to get an education to be able to support ones self. Why in Gods name would he take a loan to get a job that wouldn't pay for the schooling? Not too bright if you ask me.. But you didn't....
    Anyways, I never had a debt that just "went away" and I don't suspect many of you have either. Only "values" have taught me that you must take care of your debt. You make your own bed......
    I guess this preacher was probably preaching "family values" and forgot about the rest of them... don't you know????

    I do know, I have values also...
    Submitted by TheGreatWhiteBuffalo on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 22:25.
    I'd like to thank everyone that took the time to think about this or had listened to the story as aired on NPR...
    Indeed I've found a couple of things missing, a slanted view being sold as 'the way' and yet I know differently.
    I like the daily budget, I think we all live on a daily budget in one way or another. The budget was a big part of my computer program that I had designed. Something that we all need to watch, for some minute by minute, or day by day, for others it is a weekly, monthly or anual project. I'd love to never have to think about the budget again...


    I preach in a fellowship in which every congregation is
    Submitted by Familyfunandfaith on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 23:41.
    autonomous and determines what it will pay the minister. Most of the places that I have had association with try to pay the minister as the median of the community, with the intention that the minister live like the people to whom he preaches. I do not know much about how denominational churches that have national organizations and structures for ministers.
    My income includes a housing allowance for tax purposes. I am responsible for my retirement funds and insurance.
    I believe it is improper, even sinful, not to pay your bills, especially if you hold yourself out to be a minister of God. If you sign your name to a contract, you have made a promise to repay the loan. If something happens that puts one in financial trouble, he should do all in his power to clear the problem even if it takes longer than originally expected.

    FF and F...
    Submitted by TheGreatWhiteBuffalo on Thu, 07/12/2007 - 19:38.
    To me that is the golden rule, I always try to follow through on my promises. My word is my name and when I put my name to a contract that is free of bias and agree to pay a certain fee, the fee will be paid. That is how I was raised by my father. I have a good name and if I give you my word it is as good as my name. Contracts can be broken and things can change over time, but if you or anyone upholds their end of the bargain (contract) then I will uphold my end. At the same time if we are talking financial agreements and one falls upon hard times, the contract should be open for renegotiation. Many contracts are totally flawed when it comes to flexibility, many people end up extremely punished for minor breeches...


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    Finding Good in Bad

    In the process of growing, how many people know that leaving a bad apple in the apple basket will cause the rest of the basket to go bad? Many people justify bad actions and actors and allow them to continue to violate our beliefs and our society. Many people go to church thinking that there is good being done by the church and these people make excuses to justify the bad things that are the direct result of flawed church teachings.

    At one point in my life I believed in the power of the church and the bible flawless, I had no idea that this wonderful presentation to the world was so flawed. Until I was accused of things I didn't do or say, I hadn't seen the harm that could come from this institution of belief.

    I had no idea the church was the blinder that allowed evil to exist by making excuses and condemning the good people to be violated as victims of the attackers that are the minority but allowed to control the majority of people and the way we live.

    The elitists use the church as a means for controlling the masses and the equity of the community.

    The lies and misinformation is well written into a book they call perfect the perfect word of god, infallible, with out error. Yet, if you live your life by the guidelines of this book you find that you are an exception to the ways of this world and you are a problem in society. So you would then be punished for being good. The Blessing then becomes the Curse and it is all because of the church and the book. One book, many beliefs and not one institution that really knows the right thing to do.

    This flaw invades our government and we become chaotic warmongers following a dictator leading us against each other instead of drawing us together and building communities that expose the corruption and flaws that exist in all things created to pervert the system and reality.

    Being progressive is coming back to center being confident that the extremes lead to chaos and that we need to take another look at what we all believe and how we can work better together.

    How many examples of unsafe practices do we need before we understand that the reality of our actions and our greed plays a major role in allowing people to often times get abused and we could help expose the violations working together.

    The church won't often fix the flaws, they might fix one point or part or maybe another but will they really look at the real problem? The real issue?

    When the church itself is the source of abuse, does anyone ever hold up the mirror to the very institution that promotes civil unrest?

    By church I also define this structure as temple or mosque. Not one organized religion has helped stop the violence that occurs as a result of the undermining of every community.

    A community that is built on the principles of the Love of GOD rather than the foundation created by man will be a stronger community. The words printed and the walls erected by human hands will never last for an eternity.

    The Love of GOD is eternal.

    The love of GOD should be found in the heart of every human and all things created.

    Love and Romance can be found in books, along with the truth, if only we can reason out and critically think our way through social values and skills.

    We all have gifts. How can we encourage others to use their gifts wisely?

    There is certainly a way today that we can empower the poor to rise above, if we want to we could change the world, but who is fighting and for whom?

    Another post in similar thought can be found here:
    Church Signs and Sins

    I always have believed in
    Submitted by Sire on Sat, 08/18/2007 - 21:18.
    I always have believed in the Bible and doesn't Jesus himself say that those who follow his way will be persecuted. The disciples of old would have welcomed the persecution.


    What parts of the Bible do you believe?
    Submitted by TheGreatWhiteBuffalo on Sun, 08/19/2007 - 01:37.
    The whole Bible isn't true, do you know which parts are filled with error?
    Let's talk about the Lie in the Tithe, have you ever considered that tithing is flawed, and if it is reasonable to know that by critically thinking about the tithe and understanding the flaw of the tithe then there might also be other errors?
    From beginning to end, the Bible is full of errors, and many churches try to pass the flaws off as divine infallible writings of my GOD who is pure and holy, without blemmish.
    Well if the Bible isn't without error, and the chruch lies and calls the Bible inerrant, I would say that there is a problem with the foundation of the church and the Bible.
    How do you teach people to be good?
    Now this is the Christian backyard that we are playing in, what about the Jewish and Islamic religious boxes? Their playpens are also soiled...


    You either believe it in its
    Submitted by Sire on Sun, 08/19/2007 - 01:40.
    You either believe it in its entirety or not at all.


    Now who said it can only be one way or the other?
    Submitted by TheGreatWhiteBuffalo on Sun, 08/19/2007 - 01:52.
    A good lie has some truth in it...
    Either you know or you don't, so don't kick the messenger until you know for sure one way or the other.
    The next time you go to church you might hear clear as a bell things that just ain't so...
    Things will start to fall apart and become unsettled, and finally it will all make sense and you'll know what I was trying to write to you about.
    That's a book filled with a lot of errors, I can't explain all the problems in just a post or two...


    But remember that all...
    Submitted by huttriver14 on Sat, 08/18/2007 - 21:28.
    in the church are human, and being human we are all flawed. The difference between humans and the rest of the animal kingdom is that we 'humans' have the power of reason. We need to use that reasoning power ourselves to understand what is going on around us, not just what some other human told us. We need to question what is said, and come to an understanding ourselves. In the words of some old and departed Kiwi - dont be a bloody sheep!


    That is exactly my point...
    Submitted by TheGreatWhiteBuffalo on Sat, 09/29/2007 - 19:05. *new
    We have sheep pretending to be leaders, as the children call people that try to be something that they are not, they call the imposters 'posers'.
    I like the sheep analogy, and many sheep are pretending to be shepherds, they buy their training and with a piece of paper claim to be something that they are not.
    You don't need a superior education to understand the written word, you only need a desire to read and then you need to read and comprehend what you are reading.
    Increased comprehension comes with actually reading and going beyond what people say, sometimes you have to do a little research.
    From there we all have the ability to grow.
    I love the interactive format so that we can clarify questions and provide additional information if necessary.


    Now isn't it funny mate that
    Submitted by Sire on Sat, 08/18/2007 - 21:35.
    Now isn't it funny mate that kiwis always refer to sheep.


    We actually get it from...
    Submitted by huttriver14 on Sat, 08/18/2007 - 21:38.
    our Aussie cousins and becomes a habit. A sheep of course is just a follower.However I dont think the Anzac breed are just followers.


    I knew that mate, I was just
    Submitted by Sire on Sat, 08/18/2007 - 21:44.
    I knew that mate, I was just pulling your leg.



    Pass a leg over this way, please :)
    Submitted by TheGreatWhiteBuffalo on Sun, 08/19/2007 - 01:48.
    We are talking about leg of lamb?
    Little jelly slow roasted...


    We would be so lucky, seeing
    Submitted by Sire on Sun, 08/19/2007 - 01:53.
    We would be so lucky, seeing how a lamb on the spit is really tasty.


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    Sugary sweet,

    The church, the people selling false religion, they set themselves apart, as though they have this wonderful heart, they talk about this plan, to save the world, gifts and grace...

    Many people buy into this soft sell, they begin to give before long everything is going to the church and where is the church sending or distributing their wealth? Is the church building on, fixing up, looking like a new shiny building the nicest on the block?

    The purpose of the church is to support the community, to organize the work of GOD and yet, there are many flaws, what options exist to make a better and stronger community that can help others and is free asking only your voice to share and expand.

    A new spirit spreads across the land.

    The spirit of the land is spreading out and seeking others that are in the know and willing to grow.


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    Changing the voice of Radio

    What's Wrong in America and What is Wrong with America in the World

    The suppression of voices listening only to one side of the story has led our nation in the wrong direction.

    The Churches

    First the churches learned how to control the masses with one voice, by presenting information held in secret, and omitting facts preventing others from defending the truth. We have many examples of church history to use as a method of understanding the formula to create a one sided argument, we can look to the one most famous example that the Christian faith is built upon it is the myth and cross of Jesus. The government of Rome established one version, while the Roman Catholic Church followed their own path, who is more important the son or the mother? The Church of England decided the Son was more important to follow while Japan followed the Sun. The rise of the Sun would bring division to nation and family. Yet the world doesn't see. Protestant Christianity all off shoots of the Church of England has spread like wild fire and the balance to Christianity came from another Religion much similar in the Middle East. They all know of Jesus, but what do we really know about Jesus?

    The Heart and Mind

    What fills the hearts and minds of people, we witness WWII and the acts of Adolph Hitler, we witness the build up to the war in Iraq and the acts of President George W. Bush and his administration. Promoting lies as the truth and reasons we need to eliminate the threat of others. Either we are with him or we are the enemy. It is them, against us, over here, or over there? Convincing people that their actions are right when the reason is built upon a lie is totally wrong. We can emotionally charge people blinding them from the truth, in many ways. We can use the possible threat tactic (i.e. if we don’t fight there they will come here), or exploit the death of friends and family to create the burning fire the desire to kill those that hurt the innocent. We can sell the ultimate sacrifice that we should give our life putting our lives on the line. We sell the idea that bravery and dying for a cause is heroic and will benefit society as a noble cause for all and for all time. The problem is that these people our soldiers no matter how good they are they aren't innocent when our leader is guilty of lying in the first place. All the blood of each dead and wounded body is the responsibility of the liar, the one accountable is the person (or group of people) that must be brought to justice, for misleading and being traitors to the truth.

    Making the World a Better place

    When we as a people take the bull by the horns and fix the problems in our own back yards it is then that we develop a sense of security and create a model for other countries to follow.

    Social Constructs

    What makes a country great? What makes America great? We talk about freedom, yet if we do not live by the example we profess then we are not free. How can we speak one way and act another. How is it that we can lie to ourselves and our children? We sell them short if we don't provide for each and every person the right to a quality of life and dignity with respect for the rule of law. We have no rules and no laws if our judges aren't doing their jobs properly. How many examples of judicial misconduct do we need before we see? The problem in the judiciary is the judges with agendas and their failure to apply the law equally. We need a real review board that takes judicial review seriously. Other countries with strong judges and respect for their citizens have lower crime rates the criminals know they aren't going to get away with cheating and that forces civility.

    Backing out of Iraq

    As we pull out our troops and equipment from the nation of Iraq. We will leave the Iraqi people the chance to rebuild their own nation, the two forces putting pressure on Iraq are both neighbors with vested interest in the oil fields the Saudis and the Iranians. Yet, if one or the other would try to infiltrate the government, then war would be certain to shortly follow, a revolt against one or the other. The balance must come from with in; a strong force standing up, the people themselves taking control and putting an end to the nonsense, the greed and the quest for power.

    The judges have a responsibility to keep the peace and the rule of law. The government has the responsibility to make good laws for the people and to provide for each and every citizen.

    Laws to Keep the Peace

    Each religion has it's own set of rules and they are always the same no matter what nation you travel to the moral code of conduct is written on every human heart. We all know how we wish to be treated and we all want to be treated fairly. Law enforcement should have the power to stop elements that are criminal. The highest power of enforcement should be the most honorable people in the world. In other words each nation should have levels of law enforcement developed to over see each other. If the highest level is found to be corrupt the lower level should be able to act upon the higher level and the highest level should be without blemish. The lower level should be accountable for their actions according to law and monitored by the higher level. Criminals should be weeded out. What makes a person a criminal?

    It is good for society to follow predetermined rules and guidelines.

    All reports of abuse should be followed up, a full record should be made publicly available to contest or confirm all charges and all misconduct should be reprimanded with reparations made to all victims.

    Misconduct of Military Personnel

    All military equipment must be accounted for, right down to each round of ammunition. We have allowed our boys free reign to shoot at will with complete indifference to the lives of civilians the mind set of many of our men and women fighting a war presented to them with false information creating false beliefs. We have a military with many christians fighting a religious war built upon false beliefs from their own religious doctrines a false philosophy exists in all religious books based upon a false doctrine created at the beginning of the worlds first religions. The weed the bad seed needs to be removed. When we get bad people out of power, and replace them with good people who want to help other people and other nations then we can become the model for all nations to follow. As we witnessed with the War on Terror, our own leadership has embodied the terror we are trying to fight in other nations.

    This will soon lead into a global, not just a national revolt, but a global revolt, and they the bullies and abusers of power will have to stand against us the peace makers and peace keepers. Either you are with them, or you are with us. The rhetoric has to come to an end, we are all supposed to be working together for the good of humanity and we can not be working together if one person is allowed to lie and get away with lying to all of us. If one person believes the lies and promotes evil and hatred then we are no better than those who that person hates. If we allow bullies to encourage violence against innocent people then it is our shame that we must bear as witness to vile acts of suffering allowed by our incompetence, or our incompetent system. We need to fix the problems now! We have the power and the tools, we can empower the Iraqi's to protect their nation, and their interests with out a single shot needing to be fired.

    We have the eyes, we have the minds, and we have the heart to stop the abuse. We have the wrong approach at this time, this war can not be won by force, and we have to win this war on another level. We have to know the truth, and we have to expose the truth.

    We need a social consciousness wake up call.

    Through music and talk we all need to come together to expose the flawed hearts that do exist and heal the wounds created both theirs and ours, we need to use all the tools available to combat a flawed theology, and the message that it is okay to kill, steal, or lie to anyone anywhere.

    We need to calm the anger, separate and step away from those that are known liars and surround them with love and accountability, all crimes must be punished, all criminals should be closely monitored and watched for they have given up their right to anonymity and immunity when they have acted abusively.

    I am assuming by you mean right-wing radio!
    Submitted by cajunrooster on Sun, 07/22/2007 - 17:17.
    What are you going to do to change the voice? What about Air America and other lilberals on the radio. They went under for one simple reason; no one listened to them. Rush Limbaugh enjoys great success because he's on over 500 stations and millions listen to him. Do you think he'd be on the radio if no one listened to him. The left's message is void. Just void. There is nothing in it. The reason we don't have left wing radio is simple.


    Caji, read what your RepublicMenu writes...
    Submitted by TheGreatWhiteBuffalo on Sun, 07/22/2007 - 17:34.
    Are you any different than this person?
    You hold to the same sweet values in support of all the same beliefs as he does.
    You divide everything right and left and there is no middle ground. The worst part is you don't know me, and my words are right here to be reviewed, do I support lies? Do I call for the killing of innocent people?
    What do you know about me and my beliefs, talk about left wing radio... I'm the nicest man to be hated by all sectors of society with exception to those that really know love...
    I stand in the center, not on the extreme left or right.
    I believe in Freedom, and Justice for all that respect our laws.
    I'm really sad that Republicans just don't get the message, they are caught in a lie, they are exposed for being bullies and greedy and still they are the church and the supporters of corruption, they are the military and sending loved ones off to the killing fields, the desert of death.
    The bloodshed is on your hands, and the power is in your hands.



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