Freewill

Do we have freewill?


lastradicaldude

Understand the distinction between the capacity to choose a particular thing and being free to make that particular choice. Now the nuance might not be understood by all, but I am confident that someone as adept as you can grasp the difference.

When you state, "No one is stopping you from exercising your free will to choose to do anything whatsoever.", surely you are not attempting to lead otheres to believe that you are at liberty to murder or rape for examples. For if the Divine has granted you liberty to engage in such heinous activities, then who would have any right to hold you responsible for the consequences?

Now although you may not have intentionally attempted to lead others to believe that they could engage in heinous acts, you did nevertheless state that "No one is stopping you from exercising your free will to choose to do anything whatsoever."

Now you are certainly wise enough to realize that I chose the examples of the heinous crimes of murder and rape to point out the fallacy in your logic used to support the ideology of the existence of freewill. No one is at liberty to engage in actions that produce harmful consequences to another human. No sound argument can be made to support such an illusory exercise of freewill.

And in most cases actions that are often attempted to be justified by the fallacious arguments of freewill and self-ownership are seen for what they really are when right reason (honest reason) is applied to the situation and the negative consequences to others are truly considered.

Jewelz

In this particular universe everyone has been inherently endowed with their own individual divine right of authority to exercise the use of their own free will to be able to choose what they desire to focus their attention on, without interfering with someone else's divine right to do the same. Now I think I made that pretty clear, it's simple stuff.

Do onto others as you would have them do onto you? If someone is doing something they have exercised their right to use their free will to actually do it, whatever it is. Now for example, I choose to use my free will to write you a reply and you choose to use your free will to write me back at some point, should you decide to choose to use your free will to accept this mission, it is totally up to you of course. There is no outside enforcement upon the choice of the use of the ownership of your will.

The universe, your government, your mommy and daddy, do not dictate what you personally choose to do with your own free will and volition as the creator of your own universe. The only thing that anyone owns IS their WILL.

But, of course now there is one big problem with the use of exercising your free will. There are negative forces against us which is known as psychological warfare. It has been through nefarious means and in more ways than one from indoctrinated ideological subversive tactics, done with the use of someone else's will, for the purposes of demoralization, against using your free will for positive outcomes.

For example, when you were born, your so called free will was stolen from you at that time, because you were probated and consequently orphaned by mommy and daddy upon the signing of your birth certificate, and that is why you go to the court of orphans. Your birth certificate is actually a death certificate and your free will was usurped by someone else's authority, without your knowledge of it ever taking place. Until now of course.

So the lesson is, if you don't state your will, it is obvious that someone else will gladly state it for you, correct?... which we both know has been the case.

Without taking ownership for the use of our will, we have no authority present as Gods divine creation to be able to focus our attention on our intentions, to do the creating. Your will is what gets you out of bed in the morning. Simple aye?

Now radical, why don't you go ahead and use your free will that some God force in the universe gave you and show me how you are able to use it to turn around what I just stated into a heinous act of some kind. Then, I will use my free will to show you how you are using it in a misguided and is misdirected way for manipulation purposes in order to create confusion about a very simple divine right and principle of this universe.

radical, if you knew you were getting involved in a fraudulent contract to begin with, I seriously doubt you would have used your free will to do so. If you were fraudulently induced into a contract where there was no full disclosure and no meeting of the minds, you certainly would not have done so, based upon knowing what you were getting involved in aye. You could not freely exercise your will to make an informed decision, because you were not given the facts and details to correctly do so. A heinous act brought through deception for the purposes of enslavement so we could not use our free will correctly.

Lastradicaldude

Jewelz where Freewill is discussed in the context of religion, which is what this forum is about, the doctrine deals with moral and immoral choices and is limited to whether we are free and at liberty to choose to do Gods will (the always moral position) or to choose our will (the oftentimes immoral) as an alternative.

This has nothing to do with whether we have the capacity to choose whether we will eat either vanilla, chocolate, or strawberry icecream for example, for there is nothing inherently evil about either flavor. The theological doctrine of Freewill examines whether mankind is free to choose good or evil. To compare every life choice such as what flavor icecream one will eat with choices that inevitably deal with moral issues of right and wrong, is to fail to make the distinction between choices in which the theological doctrine of Freewill is in fact present and choices where the doctrine of Freewill is not even an issue. This problem has occurred because too many people confuse our human ability to choose with the doctrine of Freewill as it was historically understood among those that developed the doctrine. A close read of your above post reveals you have not yet grasped the nuance concerning Freewill that I have attempted to convey.

Freewill presupposes that one's Will is at liberty or free. Complete liberty of the will would preclude the righteous imposition of any judgment by our Creator. If the Creator in fact granted us liberty to engage in every sort of immoral activity then our defense in the day of judgment would be that he granted us liberty to engage in those acts.

But fortunately our conscience and the developed reason that we have aquired guides us toward the moral path. We may often stray down the immoral path, but we are not at liberty to do so. We do so at our own peril. And it is that peril, that ultimate consequence of following the wrong path, that becomes the price we pay for the exercise of our Will toward the immoral. This consequential price that we pay for the immoral exercise of our Will is proof that a particular path or choice not Free. Yet when we follow the moral path the exercise of our Will is accomplished without price.

Therefore the path of true FreeWill is the path of no price, the path of liberty, the path of complete Freedom, including the free exercise of one's will.

The Creator has set two paths before us. One is completely free. The other is a tollroad with many collection booths and the travel down that road is anything but free.

We have been called to surrender our will to the Divine will of the Creator. That call alone is proof that our Will is not at liberty. Do you sense the call?